(January 31, 2016 at 11:19 am)Meandering Atheist Wrote:

Quote:Yeah, right. Somehow I still don't see the hordes ravaging the country. I met some syrians yesterday. They were riding bicycles to town. I wonder whether they were terrorist bicycles with bombs attached. Now that you mention it, the one guy was smiling - probably nefariously.

I'm not actually sure if this is supposed to be serious, but I've seen so many people do it so I'll take it seriously. There's a line of thinking that goes "You said Muslims were bad" -> "the Muslims I know seem nice" -> "you must be wrong about Muslims". The problem all along has not been that these people were not nice, or not friendly. The problem is that perfectly nice, perfectly friendly people have a set of software in their heads that makes it okay to sexually assault women. In Cologne, it meant gathering up in large gangs and assaulting them. Tomorrow, those same people are going to be riding their bikes through town and smiling at the locals, because in their minds, they did not do anything wrong.

No, my point is that my town has a relatively high per capita syrian refugee presence, so my perspective is a bit better than 'some muslims I know"

(January 31, 2016 at 1:10 pm)Alex K Wrote: No, my point is that my town has a relatively high per capita syrian refugee presence, so my perspective is a bit better than 'some muslims I know"

Sure it's better, but it still isn't very good unless you have comprehensive studies on the population. Like maybe opinion polls, crime statistics, and that sort of thing. So many times phrases like 'I live with them and they're nice' are used as rebuttals to studies.

Also, I don't know about you, but I tend not to have any deep moral conversations with people I don't know very well. I also don't talk to that many people about these sorts of things. A murderer can sell me a sandwich and be perfectly cordial; that doesn't mean he's not a murderer.

This is a complex issue and we're certainly not going to solve it by pretending there's merely two sides to the argument and only one of them can be the right one.

I don't have statistics, but one type of crime apparently went up: For example, just this week, someone threw a hand grenade at a refugee center.

If Merkel is going to go she should abide by tradition.

(January 31, 2016 at 11:59 am)Rhythm Wrote: How dare a humanitarian crisis inconvenience tourism in Lesbos.  The nerve of those fucking refugees!  );

When you have "refugees" going all the way up to Norway through Russia, you have to ask if the whole shebang is being orchestrated by Putin, just to piss off NATO countries. Indeed, I believe the non-NATO countries (Finland?) strangely aren't getting any refugees. I heard the whole shebang described as a Putin op called Operation Locust. Lots of reasons to be suspicious.

(January 28, 2016 at 3:35 am)Alex K Wrote: Yeah, right. Somehow I still don't see the hordes ravaging the country. I met some syrians yesterday. They were riding bicycles to town. I wonder whether they were terrorist bicycles with bombs attached. Now that you mention it, the one guy was smiling - probably nefariously.

BRILLIANT!! My new anti-terrorist motto is now 'Never Trust A Smiling Syrian On A Bicycle'.

I feel safer already.

Boru

(January 31, 2016 at 7:53 pm)mralstoner Wrote:

(January 31, 2016 at 11:59 am)Rhythm Wrote: How dare a humanitarian crisis inconvenience tourism in Lesbos.  The nerve of those fucking refugees!  );

When you have "refugees" going all the way up to Norway through Russia, you have to ask if the whole shebang is being orchestrated by Putin, just to piss off NATO countries. Indeed, I believe the non-NATO countries (Finland?) strangely aren't getting any refugees. I heard the whole shebang described as a Putin op called Operation Locust. Lots of reasons to be suspicious.

Tell me how many reasons it would take to cause you to die horribly of suspicion. I can provide 3 time that overnight. No charge.

(January 31, 2016 at 7:28 pm)Minimalist Wrote: If Merkel is going to go she should abide by tradition.

Not possible. Germany donated all her best submarines to Israel.

(January 31, 2016 at 7:59 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Tell me how many reasons it would take to cause you to die horribly of suspicion.  I can provide 3 time that overnight.  No charge.

I will dead soon enough, without any suspicious circumstances, and then you will have your demented echo chamber all to yourself.