(February 1, 2016 at 5:10 am)Losty Wrote: 1) Marylin Manson isn't even the original artist of that song.

2) This thread is about the Quran. It has nothing to do with your race or your skin color. Or did I miss something.

1) I didn't know this information, but and ?

It's not just the songs that made me come up with my opinion about him, it's mainly the interviews he attended, and how he puts the stereotypical hosts to shame by his unique mentality and thoughts. 

2) What she said :





I don't like people joking about my heritage.
Sometimes I like it, but most of the time I don't.

Words like "brown people"

I don't behead people with Katanas made by Hanzo.
There are no taboos : but please nobody should call me brown !

(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Becoming an atheist will not bring the dead back. Instead, it will make their deaths evaporate into the void.

I don't know what you've been told, but being an atheist isn't the only thing that won't bring back the dead..........and I don't know how people's status of belief in gods is supposed to make peoples deaths evaporate into the void?  Allow me to suggest that atheists are perfectly capable of reverence for the dead, lol.

Personally, I didn't get into atheism to bring back the dead.  It was all about sinning and my hard heart. The rest of that was full on imam goodness, gave you kudos.

(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's pretty contradicting to cite the strength of something, yet ask how weakness is quantified in relation to it.
If the context is known, then weakness and strength can be easily identified.

I think I was asking how strong/weak do you think Satan is compared to humans? I don't recall citing strength, just making an observation.

(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Coming back to what we've been discussing, quantifying strengh or weakness depends on your source: as Satan is invisible to me, then I have to listen to somebody who can see it: in this case, I'm taking God's POV about it.

Do you think a hatred of Satan could introduce bias into the scripture? Allah hates Satan right? If Allah is capable of anything then lying is a possibility, correct? Can Allah lie?

(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: I didn't get what you mean by hormones.

Religionists often use "you can't see love so how do you know it exists" as argument when they ambush people in the street. So I say there are ways of determining love. Hormones are good way to see if someone is in love.

(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: As for the verse you quoted, the verse specifically refers to alcohol, AKA (Khamr = خمر),  in Arabic, the word "Khamr" which is mentioned in the verse, refers specifically to that. Probably a Sunni source added that "S" to the translation. Everywhere I go I see this disgusting forgery, I'm an Arab so it's insulting. They translate "Khamr" which is a singular, to "Intoxicants", just to match their Fatawa. In Arabic it's read as a singular word "Khamr" which literally means "alcohol/wine/...etc", these brands, the alcoholic drinks.

"Probably a Sunni source added that "S" to the translation"
Incorrect! In case you don't know, unless I'm poking fun at Sahih International (the Saudi funded translation), I always use Abdullah Yusuf Ali. Abdullah Yusuf Ali was always Shia; he was never anything else (i.e. Sunni). He was born in 1873 in India.

Abdullag Yusuf Ali was a good man. He lived in England for a time (before Sharia courts started invading England) so I'm pretty sure he was influenced by any Fatwas. I simply assumed that the translation would use the word "alcohol" if it was referring to ancohol only. If you want to get mad at Quran translations get mad at the ones done within the last thirty years, because they have been corrupted by the science in the Quran narrative and are really dishonest.

(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: And again, MNMP, the Quran is a book. Quoting one verse can sometimes lead to misunderstanding. The verse before this one said :

(Sura 5 Verse 90 )   O you who have believed, indeed, Khamr, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.

God said avoid. He didn't say "don't do it". The problem is in gambleing and drinking when they are committed together. By my guest  and play a poker game with a group of young drunk fellas ( and get drunk with them)
It turns bloody sometimes and people are losing fortunes to such act, to the level of having therapies for quitting gambling, and alcohol too. So Allah didn't porhibit us from a bad thing.

I suspect that people will say that you're Kuffar if you think alcohol is anything less than "don't do it". Wine is big in Tunisia, but they're mostly secular. There may actually be some health benefits to consuming certain types of alcohol, but I can't see any justification for gambling, other than it can be fun. And when I say gambling I'm thinking of casino gambling.

(February 1, 2016 at 3:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Ah, I know that alcohol & drugs are everywhere in Syria. Maybe that's why civilians are falling like flies. That's not the best example, MNMP. 
After all, I have nothing against drugs like Marijuana. But alcohol ? That's just poison (literally; hence its name), it's sick, it causes disasters (from domestic abuse to car accidents).

Alcohol is much more dangerous than Hashish so I never understood why people ban Hashish. I heard it was because the Mexican immigrants smoked it and they didn't like that. Then Opium got banned because Chinese immigrants. And you get the idea.
Here you go, I think it's interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wONAqaxgIoo

Anyway, the Quran is full of threats to humans by Allah. But I'm not scared, and I don't see why I should worship such a bully. And you even said Allah doesn't need humans. So what's the point of all this? Is it just a sick game for Allah?

Allah just sits on a throne all day watching us suffer. That's just like al-Saud. And we all know what al-Saud and their henchmen are like. If Allah is so strong then it should stop people from drawing Muhammad, but instead it is left to the henchmen of al-Saud to kill people who draw cartoons of Muhammad.

Rather than send down a copy of the Quran from heaven Allah had to chose the awkward way to reveal. it. And the funny thing is, Muhammad is just like Zarathustra, who came nearly 2000 years before him, if not more.

Here are the similarities between Zarathustra and Muhammad:
1. Zarathustra preached Tawhid (monotheism).
2. Started gradually getting revelations from an angel of god in his thirties.
3. Fought against Pagans
4. The Magi, who are in power at the time, offered Zarathustra anything he wanted if only he would stop preaching monotheism.
5.  Zarathustra also talked about the fall of man.
6. In fact, if you look at Zarathustrian creation story, it's just like Bible/Quran. When the evil spirit refuses to praise god's creation, it sounds exactly like Satan refusing to bow to Adam, and I quote:
The Evil Spirit snarled, "Why should I aid your creatures? Why should I praise them? I am more powerful! I will destroy you and your creatures for ever and ever."

7. After all of the other animals, god created one man, Gayomard and some of his bones eventually grow into a woman.

Just trying to say the Quran is not original.

(February 1, 2016 at 4:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(February 1, 2016 at 5:10 am)Losty Wrote: 1) Marylin Manson isn't even the original artist of that song.

2) This thread is about the Quran. It has nothing to do with your race or your skin color. Or did I miss something.

1) I didn't know this information, but and ?

It's not just the songs that made me come up with my opinion about him, it's mainly the interviews he attended, and how he puts the stereotypical hosts to shame by his unique mentality and thoughts. 

2) What she said :





I don't like people joking about my heritage.
Sometimes I like it, but most of the time I don't.

Words like "brown people"

Yea....that doesn't have anything to do with it. The Quran has nothing to do with your race or your skin color and by the way in case you were wondering, not all Muslims are brown

(February 1, 2016 at 4:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(February 1, 2016 at 5:10 am)Losty Wrote: 1) Marylin Manson isn't even the original artist of that song.

2) This thread is about the Quran. It has nothing to do with your race or your skin color. Or did I miss something.

1) I didn't know this information, but and ?

It's not just the songs that made me come up with my opinion about him, it's mainly the interviews he attended, and how he puts the stereotypical hosts to shame by his unique mentality and thoughts. 

2) What she said :





I don't like people joking about my heritage.
Sometimes I like it, but most of the time I don't.

Words like "brown people"

That's one of the best speeches of all time.

Just to clarify, in my previous post I meant to say "priests", not Magi. Magi is a term specific to Zarathustrian temples. And I just want to add that Zarathustra was ultimately killed for his opposition to the Daeva (i.e. the various polytheistic gods of the ancient Persians). Throughout his life he preached the oneness of god as dictated to him by an angel (whom he first met when in his thirties), and was never deterred, exactly like Muhammad.

(February 1, 2016 at 5:37 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: I think I was asking how strong/weak do you think Satan is compared to humans? I don't recall citing strength, just making an observation.

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If you quantified the strength, then how and why do you ask about quantifying weakness ?

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How did you quantify weakness?

In other words, you have to stick to the Quranic concept if you wanted to come up with a conclusion about this matter.
And according the Quran, Satan's plot is weak, but humans too are weak indeed, the author never said that Satan is strong, but he indeed cited and referred to Satan's failure in seducing a portion of humanity.

Claiming Satan is strong, is a claim you made without an evidence. 

Quote:Do you think a hatred of Satan could introduce bias into the scripture? Allah hates Satan right? If Allah is capable of anything then lying is a possibility, correct? Can Allah lie?

You think & believe that Allah is human; and not just any human, but a drama-queen who had a fight with her ex-boyfriend, and that's okay. 
God is not human, MNMP. It depends on your faith though, there is no point in repeating myself.

He doesn't lie, he is just, he is perfect.

Quote:"Probably a Sunni source added that "S" to the translation"
Incorrect! In case you don't know, unless I'm poking fun at Sahih International (the Saudi funded translation), I always use Abdullah Yusuf Ali. Abdullah Yusuf Ali was always Shia; he was never anything else (i.e. Sunni). He was born in 1873 in India.

Abdullag Yusuf Ali was a good man. He lived in England for a time (before Sharia courts started invading England) so I'm pretty sure he was influenced by any Fatwas. I simply assumed that the translation would use the word "alcohol" if it was referring to ancohol only. If you want to get mad at Quran translations get mad at the ones done within the last thirty years, because they have been corrupted by the science in the Quran narrative and are really dishonest.

 Sunni/Shia faiths are similiar in so many sentences -hence : both originated from Islam-, so I don't think that this is an argument against me. I just forgot to add the "/Shia" which I usually add in most of my posts.

This forgery is also committed by Shia.

Quote:I suspect that people will say that you're Kuffar if you think alcohol is anything less than "don't do it". Wine is big in Tunisia, but they're mostly secular. There may actually be some health benefits to consuming certain types of alcohol, but I can't see any justification for gambling, other than it can be fun. And when I say gambling I'm thinking of casino gambling.

Only the extremist & ignorant Sunnies/Shia, you can check this link :

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...st-alcohol

quoting it :

 

Quote:Numerous prominent Muslims throughout the ages drank alcohol. Even caliphs, such as the Abbasid ruler Haroun al-Rashid of  fame, were reputed to indulge, despite their title of "commanders of the faithful". 

Quote:Alcohol is much more dangerous than Hashish so I never understood why people ban Hashish. I heard it was because the Mexican immigrants smoked it and they didn't like that. Then Opium got banned because Chinese immigrants. And you get the idea.
Here you go, I think it's interesting:
EMBEDDED MEDIA 

Anyway, the Quran is full of threats to humans by Allah. But I'm not scared, and I don't see why I should worship such a bully. And you even said Allah doesn't need humans. So what's the point of all this? Is it just a sick game for Allah?

Allah just sits on a throne all day watching us suffer. That's just like al-Saud. And we all know what al-Saud and their henchmen are like. If Allah is so strong then it should stop people from drawing Muhammad, but instead it is left to the henchmen of al-Saud to kill people who draw cartoons of Muhammad.

Rather than send down a copy of the Quran from heaven Allah had to chose the awkward way to reveal. it. And the funny thing is, Muhammad is just like Zarathustra, who came nearly 2000 years before him, if not more.

Here are the similarities between Zarathustra and Muhammad:
1. Zarathustra preached Tawhid (monotheism).
2. Started gradually getting revelations from an angel of god in his thirties.
3. Fought against Pagans
4. The Magi, who are in power at the time, offered Zarathustra anything he wanted if only he would stop preaching monotheism.
5.  Zarathustra also talked about the fall of man.
6. In fact,  When the evil spirit refuses to praise god's creation, it sounds exactly like Satan refusing to bow to Adam, and I quote:
The Evil Spirit snarled, "Why should I aid your creatures? Why should I praise them? I am more powerful! I will destroy you and your creatures for ever and ever."

7. After all of the other animals, god created one man, Gayomard and some of his bones eventually grow into a woman.

Just trying to say the Quran is not original.

You can guess why weed is porhibited
Many parties has a monopoly on alcohol and tobacco, they cannot allow marijuana to come in and sweep them out of business, truth be told, if maijuana became legal, alcohol and tobacco will receive a devastating shock.

 The sun is hot and it burns my skin if I stand in it for so long, but I never called it a "bully". 
Meaning is, the word bully cannot be used with allah; it doesn't make any sense. I explained in my previous comment.

For example : the universe forces a lot of laws on you, if you go against them, you get torn to pieces. So does it make any sense to call the universe "bully" ??

The Quran actually, did mention that this religion is so so so ancient, so Zarathustra  ,might be a prophet sent by God. Actually, this might proves Islam even more.

I need to read more about him though.

(February 1, 2016 at 7:36 pm)Losty Wrote: Yea....that doesn't have anything to do with it. The Quran has nothing to do with your race or your skin color and by the way in case you were wondering, not all Muslims are brown

It's all on TBR's hosts who brought race up.
But thanks for reminding me that there are green Muslims.

Green? Da fuq?

Well, Martians are welcome to believe in any religion they want, or be atheists, I'm sure.