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(February 4, 2016 at 3:43 pm)athrock Wrote: Why are you so angry?
If you met me at a dinner party, you'd probably think I was a pretty nice person. You disagree with my views, but I haven't said anything particularly rude or out of line.
So, where is YOUR anger coming from, and why is it directed at me?
You think this is me angry? this isn't me angry.
I don't put up with much bullshit. And that's what you're spewing. You're acting like a condescending little prick toward everyone here. Especially Kitan and DrFuzzy. But others as well. You lose all rights to expect my politeness when you act that way. If I met you at a dinner party, and you brought up homosexuality like you have here, I'd probably tell you to fuck off. In fact I'd probably tell you a lot more than to fuck off.
Now if I were angry "condescending little prick" would be the nicest thing I call you.
When you act condescending, when you say the things you've said to other people here, you lose all right to expect politeness from me. I'm not a polite person unless I'm being paid for my time.
(February 4, 2016 at 3:08 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Yep, they weren't god's rules. They were men's rules. While they were busy coming up with rules, they also included things like women being the property of men, and the rules slaves had to live by, and when killing other tribes and taking all their virgin females was ok, etc., etc.
I realize this helps you maintain your current lifestyle, but it's Fuzzy thinking.
Aw gee, see - we do have a point of agreement. We think exactly the same thing about each other's outlook.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
(February 4, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Former Catholic myself, my mom still is.
Yes it is possible to be in a camp in hopes for reform which is certainly liberal, but you cant deny the bigoted history, which still has a an institution with figurehead that tells one part of the world one thing then tells another part of the world another.
Just like gay republicans or even women or black republicans. YES it is possible, my only question is WHY?
Same with even liberal black Christians. MLK is certainly was an empathetic man, but the slave trade that brought most blacks to the United States were white Christians who forced them to convert and raised the generations afterwards as slaves, and even after slavery ended bible based bigotry was used to fight desegregation.
I really do love my well intended liberal believing friends, but they have to know, whatever good they think their religion provides, there is a right wing to that same religion that is using the same book to justify their morality too.
But again, that goes with ALL religions worldwide, not just Catholics and not just Christianity.
Thanks for your thoughts.
When did you leave the Catholic Church and why?
Never really made sense to me in the first place, I went as a child because my mom thought it would be good for me, but to her credit, she wasn't bent on making me go forever. To be honest the biggest reason I went was because I spotted a girl I was attracted to, but spent years pining after her in silence stupidly.
I did want to believe only because I wanted to fit in. I really started to question Christianity because of one question a co worker at a construction site asked me. I was a day laborer paid to clean up after the construction workers at a housing development. He asked me "What if Jesus was just a man". That stuck with me. None of the hocus pokus stuff made sense but I was afraid to question publicly out of fear.
That was not a sudden de-conversion, it still took me several years to go from deist Christian, to deist, to "probably not" to "atheist". And even then it wasn't until after 9/11 that I sought other atheists out online. The only contact I had was with one atheist on campus in college, then after that, 3 atheists who attended a Unitarian Church.
Some do have a sudden realization, like comedian Rickey Gervais who said it was because his mom told his older brother to shut up when he questioned the stories in it, basically he thought "If my mom is hiding something, it has to be bogus". I wish I had been that lucky to be that fearless.
I tell every religious person, the same thing, regardless of nationality, or religion or whatever part of the world they live in. You merely like what you believe, I do get that. It was understandable back then when humans didn't know any better, but we have much better tools to get the best data on reality of nature and the universe now.
There was no religion 200,000 years ago, much less 4 billion years ago, much less 14 billion years ago. Now that I know scientifically how big the universe is and how old it is, I simply cant go back. I find it absurd in a universe of 100s of billions of galaxies, that this one tiny outpost being isolated in a hostile universe, humans matter. Especially knowing our planet has had 5 mass extinctions in evolutionary history.
(February 4, 2016 at 3:13 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: You're full of assertions you can't prove. You can't prove that we have souls, for example. There is no god, there are no souls. Anyone who tells us what god says, thinks, or does is lying. It's all a means of controlling other humans.
Now, when you prove that god exists, and that we have souls, you might have an argument worth listening to. Maybe. Until then, you're just a troll who enjoys judging other people and splattering your crap all over the internet.
We might be bi-partite - body and soul. That was Augustine's view, I think.
And we MIGHT just be a human body and a human brain, and no more. This is material and prove-able. God, soul, spirit, angels, devils, ghosts, vampires, werewolves, Santa - - all flights of fantasy, un-proved.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
Never really made sense to me in the first place, I went as a child because my mom thought it would be good for me, but to her credit, she wasn't bent on making me go forever. To be honest the biggest reason I went was because I spotted a girl I was attracted to, but spent years pining after her in silence stupidly.
I did want to believe only because I wanted to fit in. I really started to question Christianity because of one question a co worker at a construction site asked me. I was a day laborer paid to clean up after the construction workers at a housing development. He asked me "What if Jesus was just a man". That stuck with me. None of the hocus pokus stuff made sense but I was afraid to question publicly out of fear.
That was not a sudden de-conversion, it still took me several years to go from deist Christian, to deist, to "probably not" to "atheist". And even then it wasn't until after 9/11 that I sought other atheists out online. The only contact I had was with one atheist on campus in college, then after that, 3 atheists who attended a Unitarian Church.
Some do have a sudden realization, like comedian Rickey Gervais who said it was because his mom told his older brother to shut up when he questioned the stories in it, basically he thought "If my mom is hiding something, it has to be bogus". I wish I had been that lucky to be that fearless.
I tell every religious person, the same thing, regardless of nationality, or religion or whatever part of the world they live in. You merely like what you believe, I do get that. It was understandable back then when humans didn't know any better, but we have much better tools to get the best data on reality of nature and the universe now.
There was no religion 200,000 years ago, much less 4 billion years ago, much less 14 billion years ago.
Now that I know scientifically how big the universe is and how old it is, I simply cant go back. I find it absurd in a universe of 100s of billions of galaxies, that this one tiny outpost being isolated in a hostile universe, humans matter. Especially knowing our planet has had 5 mass extinctions in evolutionary history.
THIS ^ ^ ^ Beautiful.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
(February 4, 2016 at 3:37 pm)Divinity Wrote: No it is made up bullshit. Prove otherwise. Go ahead. I'll be waiting. You don't even know who wrote the fucking old testament. Nobody does. So I don't know how the fuck anyone can say it's true. And don't give me the JESUS bullshit either, because you can't prove Jesus said any of that either. You have absolutely no evidence that proves that the bible is valid. NONE. Like the sheep you are, you'll continue following it.
Why are you so angry?
If you met me at a dinner party, you'd probably think I was a pretty nice person. You disagree with my views, but I haven't said anything particularly rude or out of line.
So, where is YOUR anger coming from, and why is it directed at me?
Because you sit here and tell us that we are substandard humans because we don't believe in your stupid old book. It gets really annoying after, like, the millionth time. You have no justifiable, rational reason to believe the damn thing is worth more than toilet paper, let alone structure your entire life around it. And then find the balls to look down other people -from- of it.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
(February 4, 2016 at 9:49 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: He says he has a great life and wishes everyone had a life as great as his. That's a far cry from saying "he wants everyone to suffer."
He also said being a Catholic is hard. Reread the first paragraph I quoted.
It's fine to look to the implication of what he's saying as well. You can't just focus on whether or not something is explicitly said.
The point was that it's hard but rewarding enough to him that it made him very happy. I'm pretty sure he's not wishing ill will upon anyone. At least that's not at all what he said.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
(February 4, 2016 at 9:49 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: He says he has a great life and wishes everyone had a life as great as his. That's a far cry from saying "he wants everyone to suffer."
He is sacrificing living his own life to its fullest; sacrificing living his life as a person EQUAL in value, equal under the LAW, to all other people in the world based on the petty, baseless rules from a really, really old book.
This is what saddens me about religion...to see how its teachings can cause person to literally discriminate against themselves.
If making a commitment to celibacy makes him happy and he's happy with his life and his decision, then I don't see why anyone would object.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
If you met me at a dinner party, you'd probably think I was a pretty nice person. You disagree with my views, but I haven't said anything particularly rude or out of line.
So, where is YOUR anger coming from, and why is it directed at me?
Because you sit here and tell us that we are substandard humans because we don't believe in your stupid old book. It gets really annoying after, like, the millionth time. You have no justifiable, rational reason to believe the damn thing is worth more than toilet paper, let alone structure your entire life around it. And then find the balls to look down other people -from- of it.
This book?
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
(February 4, 2016 at 7:04 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Because you sit here and tell us that we are substandard humans because we don't believe in your stupid old book. It gets really annoying after, like, the millionth time. You have no justifiable, rational reason to believe the damn thing is worth more than toilet paper, let alone structure your entire life around it. And then find the balls to look down other people -from- of it.
This book?
Fucking exactly. Yet, we atheists have no possible way of ever knowing the difference between right and wrong. What a joke.
Brace yourself, Fuzzy! Here cometh the tsunami of religious apologetics! *grabs plastic tarp and hangs on for dear life*
I'll predict the first one: "You have to consider that stuff in context!"
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
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