(February 9, 2016 at 2:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I get pissed off with claims of a "miracle" when cancer patients go into spontaneous remission.

It happens.  The reason for it is being studied but is  likely genetic.

"I don't understand, therefore god" is the motto of the intellectually lazy.

(February 9, 2016 at 1:46 pm)robvalue Wrote: Right, doesn't that big hat guy talk to god?

That's one of the reasons in my personal list of "reasons for atheism".  You would think at least ONE of the heads of the various religions would be able to prove, conclusively, that god actually spoke to him.  Instead, throughout history, we only get statements of "god said" or "god wants" followed by an assertion that it's true.  Not only that, but as only one of many examples, there have been some horrifically EVIL Popes. Wouldn't you think god would have stopped a Pope from murdering, stealing, lying, and keeping a harem?  

Anytime anyone tells us what god said, or what god wants, they are lying.

(February 9, 2016 at 2:51 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I get pissed off with claims of a "miracle" when cancer patients go into spontaneous remission.

Or, any time there's an obvious human agent (pilot landing a damaged plane, doctor performing a tricky surgery, etc...) but gawd get the credit anyway.

(February 9, 2016 at 1:40 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(February 9, 2016 at 9:17 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not sure how to answer your question because I don't understand what you're asking.

Simplified - Why doesn't/can't the church ask god directly which miracles are true and which are wannabee frauds. (and publish his exact wording)

I don't know why. I don't know why God doesn't talk to all of us people and make Himself seen and known in our every day lives. He did when he came down as Jesus, but I don't know why He left. I have a theory for it, but can't say I know for sure. For whatever reason, He thought it would be best to be a more subtle presence and allow us to figure certain things out for ourselves.

(February 9, 2016 at 1:51 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:

(February 9, 2016 at 4:40 am)Irrational Wrote: Who told you I've never done that? Plus, the burden here is on you, not me. You seem confident that this is all legit, so I thought maybe all of a sudden you had an example that would finally explain to me such confidence. But at this point, all I can surmise is that you're just intellectually a little lazy, and that is why you are quick to believe certain things without doing enough fact-checking ...

Or, she doesn't care about converting you so she leaves you to figure it out yourself.

Isn't that exactly what we've been wanting the theists to do? Quit preaching and let us reach our own conclusions?

Thank you Snake. 

(February 9, 2016 at 2:11 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(February 9, 2016 at 1:51 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Or, she doesn't care about converting you so she leaves you to figure it out yourself.

Isn't that exactly what we've been wanting the theists to do? Quit preaching and let us reach our own conclusions?

No need for preaching (from her). She made a claim, and I challenged her to back it up with a good example. That is the opposite of asking her to preach.

Up to her to not provide any, but I am not being unreasonable in seeing it as her being unable to find one such example. If she did, she would have likely provided it.

What claim did I make?

(February 9, 2016 at 5:45 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(February 9, 2016 at 1:51 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: Or, she doesn't care about converting you so she leaves you to figure it out yourself.

Isn't that exactly what we've been wanting the theists to do? Quit preaching and let us reach our own conclusions?

Thank you Snake. 

De nada. If we had more theists like you, King, Diedre, etc... the world would be a better place.

Of course, us heathens would have far less to bitch about.

We're missing out guys...
Think of all the miracles we would witness if we were religious...

Might just be Tebba messing with us, or maybe Pflorg again.

Damn demigods, always trying to get a toe in the door.

Agreed, I really appreciate having theists who don't keep trying to convert us

Thanks CL! You're a great example.