(February 13, 2016 at 6:29 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: Well, the woman mentioned in the OP clearly chose to be like that. You can't have it both ways. You're either naturally too slim or too heavy. I find it hard to believe that she wasn't able to struck a balance.

Also, lots of other people choose to be fat as well, when they eat everything in their path and don't exercise enough. How is this even an argument?!

Chose to look like what exactly? Disgusting fat? She's not. She's beautiful.

With regards to your other point, no, that would not necessarily constitute a choice. Depression could be playing a role, for example. And we know depression is linked to lack of motivation to do certain activities and also binge eating.

(February 13, 2016 at 7:07 am)Irrational Wrote:

(February 13, 2016 at 6:29 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: Well, the woman mentioned in the OP clearly chose to be like that. You can't have it both ways. You're either naturally too slim or too heavy. I find it hard to believe that she wasn't able to struck a balance.

Also, lots of other people choose to be fat as well, when they eat everything in their path and don't exercise enough. How is this even an argument?!

Chose to look like what exactly? Disgusting fat? She's not. She's beautiful.

With regards to your other point, no, that would not necessarily constitute a choice. Depression could be playing a role, for example. And we know depression is linked to lack of motivation to do certain activities and also binge eating.

If she identifies herself as fat, I have no choice but to view her as such. She does look particularly disgusting to me, though, and I already argued for the role personality, attitude and intelligence plays in this, but I'll go into some further details below.

I don't see her as beautiful at all(and I repeat, this is subjective, of course). She looked better when she was slimer, not that she was exactly a beauty then either. As I said, I'm fairly certain personality and intelligence modifies your appearance somewhat, and she looks particularly stupid to me. If that kind of thing works for you, that's great(not really, though, from an evolutionary perspective).

I take your other point, but only if you agree that this would have to apply to every other possible human action performed as well- namely, that there's no choice in anything we do. But that kind of argument fails by virtue of lacking specificity(if there's no choice in anything we do, what's the point of defending her non-choice of being fat, and not my non-choice for criticising her as such?)

I don't get how she can call herself "fat" though

I'm probably just mimicking other people here, but how is she fat? Ok she's slightly on the bigger side, she's got some padding, but she still falls under "normal" to me, I wouldn't call her outright "fat".

I'm not being politically correct, there are some fat FAT people in this world. She's not one of them.

I am pretty sick of men berating women for being overweight and judging their body condition while spouting "but it's unhealthy! You're taxing our healthcare system"!

(February 13, 2016 at 9:27 am)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I don't get how she can call herself "fat" though

I'm probably just mimicking other people here, but how is she fat? Ok she's slightly on the bigger side, she's got some padding, but she still falls under "normal" to me, I wouldn't call her outright "fat".

I'm not being politically correct, there are some fat FAT people in this world. She's not one of them.

I agree. But she likes to call herself fat, so I'll call her fat.

(February 13, 2016 at 10:11 am)Mermaid Wrote: I am pretty sick of men berating women for being overweight and judging their body condition while spouting "but it's unhealthy! You're taxing our healthcare system"!

Men do it regarding other men as well, and women do it amongst themselves and to men. There's not some sort of ridiculous sexism involved here, get it out of your head and stop being so silly.

The other part of your comment I don't even know what to say about, that's how random it is.

(February 13, 2016 at 10:19 am)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(February 13, 2016 at 10:11 am)Mermaid Wrote: I am pretty sick of men berating women for being overweight and judging their body condition while spouting "but it's unhealthy! You're taxing our healthcare system"!

Men do it regarding other men as well, and women do it amongst themselves and to men. There's not some sort of ridiculous sexism involved here, get it out of your head and stop being so silly.

The other part of your comment I don't even know what to say about, that's how random it is.

You are right. I should have rephrased my statement: I am pretty sick of women being berated for being overweight and judged for their body condition. She recovered from an often fatal eating disorder, FFS. I phrased things the way I did because the OP is presumably a man.

Better? What part of this is random? This whole thread is filled with comments about whether her body is healthy or not. Weight is somehow a moral issue. How did that happen? People are fucking judgmental.

It's not about her health, it's about her attractiveness. Come on, at least admit that.

(February 13, 2016 at 9:27 am)Yeauxleaux Wrote: I don't get how she can call herself "fat" though

I'm probably just mimicking other people here, but how is she fat? Ok she's slightly on the bigger side, she's got some padding, but she still falls under "normal" to me, I wouldn't call her outright "fat".

I'm not being politically correct, there are some fat FAT people in this world. She's not one of them.

She just doesn't look fat to me either. I feel like I fucking missed something. Like where is the fat person I'm supposedly reading about. I live in America. I know what fat people look like. She's not fat.

It shows how depressing that the pressure on women from society, and the media, to lose weight has become that that is considered fat. WTF.

My roommate, now she's fat.

(February 13, 2016 at 7:48 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: I take your other point, but only if you agree that this would have to apply to every other possible human action performed as well- namely, that there's no choice in anything we do. But that kind of argument fails by virtue of lacking specificity(if there's no choice in anything we do, what's the point of defending her non-choice of being fat, and not my non-choice for criticising her as such?)

Come on, it's far easier to control one's words than it is to control one's weight ...

You can certainly say what you want, though. I just don't accept your view that overweight people are so because they generally choose to be so.