or maybe its funny how people speak out of turn for God. Meaning no Book chapter and verse.

No, no, no what really funny is you all don't know the difference between the two and just assume they are they same thing!!!

(February 8, 2016 at 3:22 pm)TrueChristian Wrote: Idk. It seems God placed the different races on different continents.

He put the white people in Europe (except for Italy I guess)

He put the orientals in Asia.

He put the blacks in Africa.

He put the jabbering aborigines and native americans in Australia and the Americas respectivley.

Wouldnt it stand to reason he would only want the races to copulte with eachother since that was his plan?

The God character had his angels in heaven but that didn't stop them from screwing human women.  His plans never were worth a damn.

(February 11, 2016 at 12:41 pm)Drich Wrote: The point your missing is the child(ern) Don't grow up as being apart of a people or community. Yes their may be others with the same racial mix, but no sense of community or belonging. we have 'antidotes' or common stories/experiences , but no sense of community.

The problem is your belief that everyone views racial identity through the lens of your particular childhood experiences, as well as your belief that everyone engages in your signature brand of binary thinking. Your refusal to acknowledge the fact that "a sense of community and belonging" can be attributed to an infinite number of shared interests and goals outside of race, demonstrates this very well. So, this assertion that one MUST belong to one community or none at all, is ridiculous and patently untrue.

I know of many mixed children and teens who simply identify as both races, and have no problem stating as such, because it's a simple statement of fact; They are part of both communities.They're quite capable of maintaining friendships, as well as relationships with family members and other individuals within multiple racial categories. Sorry you couldn't seem to make a go of it, but others often do. 

Quote:Look at your response. You could not point to a social structure equivalent to the self identification say black people have with other black people or whites with whites. You pointed to "It's not as rare as it use to be." Your comparing the right of hundreds of thousands of years of basic self identification, against it's not as rare as it use to be.

The point you're attempting to make in this quote makes little sense to me, (especially the last sentence), but I will say that if you're referring to the concept of race as a social construct, then it is NOT absolute. Society's views on issues of race very well can and do change over time, for a variety of reasons...including increased awareness and exposure.  Ever heard of popular morality, Drich? It's a thing!  

If someone were to tell me that they don't feel race is the most prevalent factor shaping their identity, I would be inclined to take them at their word. Why? Because I can easily see how being a parent, theistic beliefs (Woot, woot!), military service, social groups/causes, political beliefs, career/occupation/vocation, etc. as being just as, if not more essential in defining who they are most of the time.

Quote:Again as a child this matters because all higher functioning social activity first starts along racial lines.

ha ha Really? I was under the impression that it started in Kind-EE-garten!

Drich Wrote:

Quote:Again as a child this matters because all higher functioning social activity first starts along racial lines. The first division is gender, then instinctively we subdivide by race. If we didn't this question that started this tread would be a non issue.

Children don't have any instinctive understanding of race, it's learned. A five-year old might guess her parents picked out her skin color before she was born, or that she's going to be purple when she grows up. They certainly notice differences between people, but their conclusions about what it means are, understandably, child like. Like guessing that  the reason there was never a black president before Barack Obama is because it was illegal.

Children of parents with a racially diverse group of friends are the least likely to show a particular preference for friends of their own race. There's nothing instinctive about it, our attitudes concerning race are entirely learned.

(February 11, 2016 at 12:41 pm)Drich Wrote: The point your missing is the child(ern) Don't grow up as being apart of a people or community. Yes their may be others with the same racial mix, but no sense of community or belonging. we have 'antidotes' or common stories/experiences , but no sense of community.

To take that from a child or to assume one is able to provide this basic form of identify or worse yet not even think about it is indeed selfish! The parents wants, userpt the childs needs, how is that not selfish?

#victimshaming

The problem here is the bigotry against interracial relationships, not the people having the relationships. To then extend the victimisation to the children by stating that they can't identify with other groups because of their racial background..! Well, that's just abhorent, one dimensional and completely ignores the wealth of share human experience that can be drawn upon to form meaningful relationships across cultural boundaries.

Blame the racism, not the victims of it.

Drich is a fucking asshole. Whenever I read his comments he reminds me of Pat Robertson. That's probably a good thing according to him.

No sense of belonging? Really? This is fucking America dipshit. We're a motherfucking cultural mixing pot. As the white grandmother to two black grandchildren, I'd say my family are doing fucking fine fitting in. Sure, there's some racist assholes out there. I don't give a shit about their opinion, and neither does my daughter or their son-in-law, and I'm sure their children when they get older won't give a fuck either.

People who use that argument aren't just assholes though. They're goddamn morons who lack the brain cells to do anything more than waste our oxygen.

(February 12, 2016 at 5:23 am)Thena323 Wrote: The problem is your belief that everyone views racial identity through the lens of your particular childhood experiences, as well as your belief that everyone engages in your signature brand of binary thinking. Your refusal to acknowledge the fact that "a sense of community and belonging" can be attributed to an infinite number of shared interests and goals outside of race, demonstrates this very well. So, this assertion that one MUST belong to one community or none at all, is ridiculous and patently untrue.

According to whom/what? is this a product of well wishing?
Who have you spoken what resource have you tapped? or is this you taking the pulse of what you think this nation should be?
Again the only time race is not an issue is when you belong to one or another.

Quote:I know of many mixed children and teens who simply identify as both races, and have no problem stating as such, because it's a simple statement of fact; They are part of both communities.They're quite capable of maintaining friendships, as well as relationships with family members and other individuals within multiple racial categories. Sorry you couldn't seem to make a go of it, but others often do. 

Again i did not say these people MY people can not be loved. or belong to a social group. I said we do not have a cultural heritage that bonds people together for the simply fact that they belong to a given race of people.
that is a completely different thing.

Quote:Look at your response. You could not point to a social structure equivalent to the self identification say black people have with other black people or whites with whites. You pointed to "It's not as rare as it use to be." Your comparing the right of hundreds of thousands of years of basic self identification, against it's not as rare as it use to be.

Quote:The point you're attempting to make in this quote makes little sense to me, (especially the last sentence), but I will say that if you're referring to the concept of race as a social construct, then it is NOT absolute. Society's views on issues of race very well can and do change over time, for a variety of reasons...including increased awareness and exposure.  Ever heard of popular morality, Drich? It's a thing!  

It does not make sense because you are not willing to look at this situation from any other way.

again What I am saying interracial couples take from their children are a 100,000+ years of racial identity. This Will NEVER be replaced by anything else. Yet you want to take this racial identity and replace it with a sentiment that 'society should have' via pop moral standards. To which again I point out that these standards are fleeting, and can change within a person's life time. Yet Racial identity from people of a given race with never change with in those people. Because it about a common blood line and a tangible history, not about a fad or the current popular thinking.

Quote:If someone were to tell me that they don't feel race is the most prevalent factor shaping their identity, I would be inclined to take them at their word. Why? Because I can easily see how being a parent, theistic beliefs (Woot, woot!), military service, social groups/causes, political beliefs, career/occupation/vocation, etc. as being just as, if not more essential in defining who they are most of the time.

Roflol..
So you don't think race influences ALL of those things? Not that one can't go beyond racial lines, but again I'm asking do you honestly think that race does not heavily influence a decision on any of those topics?

If I were Arab do you not think Islam or my belief in it would not be tied to my people heritage in anyway?
Or if I were Israeli my military service would not be compelled by my community?
What about if I were black or better yet Not black if I were all white do you think it would allow me to say run a chapter of the NAACP without their being a huge controversy?
Do you think If I were black do you think I could pick up any job I wanted in say Korea?

The truth whether you can admit to it or not is that Race defines who we are in the world. granted your little corner may want to pretend to see color, but the world is much bigger place than the 'blue states' would have us believe. In most of the rest of the world culture is Everything, it is identity, it is who and what you are. To you this may be racism, but it is the way the world works beyond the shame of white guilt/those who make white people feel guilty.

Or would you tell an American Indian that he is wrong/raciest for segregating himself on his own sovereign land and seeking to preserve his culture? would you tell a black man he is wrong for seeking to identify and establish his own cultural identity even if it meant he had to be apart of a counter cultural (non-violent) movement? Would you tell a Chinese family that they must 'americanize' themselves and to abandon their culture if it did not accept people as you do?

Or did you just mean white people must blend in with everyone and accept people as if they were with out color?
Because that is the only way your little statement works without the destruction of thousands and thousands of years of unique history and culture.

It's like you people can not think outside your little boxes.

Quote:ha ha Really? I was under the impression that it started in Kind-EE-garten!

You don't think Kind-ee-garten or even pee-schools are not selected by the race/type of children who attend?

Again think outside of your little 'blue state, of mind' box.

think how the muslim/Arab, or a jew, or an American Indian, or yes even black people person picks a preschool for their kid.

(February 16, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Children don't have any instinctive understanding of race, it's learned.

That's crap. What is learned is the idea of moral superiority that comes with race being apart of a certain race, The fact is if you put a small child in a room with other smal children kids with similar ethnic back grounds break off and seek each other out.

Now given no other options a child of one race will play with another. They modify their behavior to mimic the behavior of the dominate child/children.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...icity.html

Quote:A five-year old might guess her parents picked out her skin color before she was born, or that she's going to be purple when she grows up. They certainly notice differences between people, but their conclusions about what it means are, understandably, child like. Like guessing that  the reason there was never a black president before Barack Obama is because it was illegal.

Children of parents with a racially diverse group of friends are the least likely to show a particular preference for friends of their own race. There's nothing instinctive about it, our attitudes concerning race are entirely learned.

It's like you guys are all retarded rocks. None of you will even do a simple google search before you speak. It's like you so want to believe this 'we are all created equal' so badly you are willing to ignore what science even has to say. This is the same 'science' that 'freed' you from God, yet you will not even check with it to see if your own personal want for societal propaganda to be true has any merit. you all just blindly believe.

If someone has shown me I was completely 180 wrong, just so out of touch with the truth as I have shown you here, I would question everything I thought to be foundational in my life.

How can you not know this?!?!? this is just plain common sense!!!

(February 16, 2016 at 1:56 pm)Ben Davis Wrote:

(February 11, 2016 at 12:41 pm)Drich Wrote: The point your missing is the child(ern) Don't grow up as being apart of a people or community. Yes their may be others with the same racial mix, but no sense of community or belonging. we have 'antidotes' or common stories/experiences , but no sense of community.

To take that from a child or to assume one is able to provide this basic form of identify or worse yet not even think about it is indeed selfish! The parents wants, userpt the childs needs, how is that not selfish?

#victimshaming

The problem here is the bigotry against interracial relationships, not the people having the relationships. To then extend the victimisation to the children by stating that they can't identify with other groups because of their racial background..! Well, that's just abhorent, one dimensional and completely ignores the wealth of share human experience that can be drawn upon to form meaningful relationships across cultural boundaries.

Blame the racism, not the victims of it.

#IreadOnePostAndNowIthinkIknowEnoughToComment

Nuupe. the problem is as stated. Interracial couples are often selfish people who are seeking what they want over everything and everyone else, and give no thought to the lives they leave in their wake.

As one 1/2 of an interracial couple i can promise you no one was going to tell me who I could and could not marry. (except maybe my potential spouse)