(February 16, 2016 at 11:17 pm)scoobysnack Wrote:

(February 16, 2016 at 11:15 pm)Evie Wrote: I know a talking cartoon dog with your first name who eats your last name and he's far more intelligent than you, Scooby.

meh I disagree.

But I disagree with you and I'm a genuine real life talking turtle therefore you're wrong about everything and I'm right about everything and you can suck my turtley.... um...thing.

(February 17, 2016 at 3:28 pm)Divinity Wrote: Everyone has sex for pleasure.  Anyone who says they don't are fucking liars.

Not the single Hutterite females in Aberdeen SD fighting off inbreeding.

(February 17, 2016 at 3:28 pm)Divinity Wrote: Everyone has sex for pleasure.  Anyone who says they don't are fucking liars.

I don't.

(February 17, 2016 at 3:31 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Even if there's only one participant.

Oh, okay, fair enough.

(February 17, 2016 at 1:28 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(February 16, 2016 at 10:32 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: The problem is that perceived reality due to all the propaganda, and perception management for the general population, is that when I come in and expose what's happening with population control and show evidence, it's perceived to be inverted.

No, the issue is far simpler than that. No one has the right to force another to do with their body something they don't wish to do. That's why you don't see the people being forced against their will to give up a kidney or part of their liver (even after they're dead) when they're a good match for someone on one of the recipient lists. It's why you don't see people in renal failure hooked up to the kidneys of another person who's a tissue match. Bodily autonomy is a really big deal and making abortion illegal would essentially say that the government has more right over your body than you do.

Is that a precedent you really want set?

Planned parenthood is not all bad, as they do also offer other services for women's health. And honestly, it's a far safer place for a women to get an abortion if she chooses than some shady place with unsanitary conditions and unregulated like existed decades ago. Some used to try to perform abortions themselves, using coat hangers.

Part of the problem is they are carrying another life in the womb, and what about the human rights of the unborn? Some say they are not humans, and therefore deserve no rights, which is a technique of dehumanization. Plus there is a demand by couples that can't have children to adopt new born babies. At the same time unwanted children don't usually grow up in the best environments, so some say it's better to eliminate that life to avoid them becoming a problem later in society. Some say it's a good way to eliminate future poor people that are burdens on society, especially in a collectivist society.

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(February 16, 2016 at 11:38 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Let's have a look at some of the claims anti-choicers bring up, shall we?

"Abortion is an attempt to wipe out the black population".  Then explain to me why the black population is one of the fastest growing in the US?  Soon whites will be a minority.

"It's used as a form of population control!"  If so, it's possibly the most ineffective form of population control ever conceived.  The population is, after all, growing faster now than at any time in history. And note that people decide to have abortions, it's not forced on them.

Claims do not equal facts - especially when those claims, and the evidence provided is from an anti-choice group.  And especially when that group has been known to LIE to push their agenda.

Well if you look at the history of planned parenthood before Roe vs Wade, it all started with the eugenics movement, and encouraging those that the establishment thought were unfit to abort their children, so certain neighborhoods were targeted with nudging them to make the choice that was desired for them. You would have to look at demographics and economics to understand better why whites are having less children to an extent, and blacks are having more. A big factor is education, where those who are focused on getting a degree hold off on starting a family until later in life and then with student loans, they are having one or two children. The black community less focused on education start having children younger due to a variety of reasons. Some want to trap a partner, some want someone to love them in the form of a child they can love back due to bad relationships. Some have more children to get more government benefits, and couple that with the fact you get more if the father does not live with you, it results in more single family homes, which becomes a generational continuation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLTTX35LNJo

(February 17, 2016 at 3:28 pm)Divinity Wrote: Everyone has sex for pleasure.  Anyone who says they don't are fucking liars.

And when you're finished, you're left with a greasy box and ten quid down.

(February 17, 2016 at 7:24 pm)scoobysnack Wrote:

(February 17, 2016 at 1:28 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: No, the issue is far simpler than that. No one has the right to force another to do with their body something they don't wish to do. That's why you don't see the people being forced against their will to give up a kidney or part of their liver (even after they're dead) when they're a good match for someone on one of the recipient lists. It's why you don't see people in renal failure hooked up to the kidneys of another person who's a tissue match. Bodily autonomy is a really big deal and making abortion illegal would essentially say that the government has more right over your body than you do.

Is that a precedent you really want set?

Planned parenthood is not all bad, as they do also offer other services for women's health. And honestly, it's a far safer place for a women to get an abortion if she chooses than some shady place with unsanitary conditions and unregulated like existed decades ago. Some used to try to perform abortions themselves, using coat hangers.

Part of the problem is they are carrying another life in the womb, and what about the human rights of the unborn? Some say they are not humans, and therefore deserve no rights, which is a technique of dehumanization. Plus there is a demand by couples that can't have children to adopt new born babies. At the same time unwanted children don't usually grow up in the best environments, so some say it's better to eliminate that life to avoid them becoming a problem later in society. Some say it's a good way to eliminate future poor people that are burdens on society, especially in a collectivist society.

Bodily autonomy. It really doesn't matter if the "life in the womb" is considered human or not. The mother has the right to have it removed for the same reason you have the right to not donate a kidney or part of your liver. Some people simply don't want kids, don't want to deal with the changes to their bodies that result from pregnancy, use birth control and still wind up pregnant. At that point, if your dream of criminalizing abortion is ever attained, you will have to violate their right to bodily autonomy in order to force them to give birth.

Seriously, if you're so dead set against abortions, don't have one. But, please quit trying to tell others that they have to be incubators for something they never wanted in the first place. It's fucking rude.

(February 17, 2016 at 7:24 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: ..
Well if you look at the history of planned parenthood before Roe vs Wade, it all started with the eugenics movement, and encouraging those that the establishment thought were unfit to abort their children, so certain neighborhoods were targeted with nudging them to make the choice that was desired for them. ..

If you think this is a true statement you should have no trouble showing sources of black women being coerced into abortions. Did the government send telegrams to a black ladies suggesting that the G'ment would be angry with them if they had any black babies? I've never seen any examples of any action just talk by old racist white southerners to racist white southerners. I'd be you can't find any real communications of eugenic action to any black people.

(February 17, 2016 at 10:28 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(February 17, 2016 at 7:24 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: ..
Well if you look at the history of planned parenthood before Roe vs Wade, it all started with the eugenics movement, and encouraging those that the establishment thought were unfit to abort their children, so certain neighborhoods were targeted with nudging them to make the choice that was desired for them. ..

If you think this is a true statement you should have no trouble showing sources of black women being coerced into abortions. Did the government send telegrams to a black ladies suggesting that the G'ment would be angry with them if they had any black babies? I've never seen any examples of any action just talk by old racist white southerners to racist white southerners. I'd be you can't find any real communications of eugenic action to any black people.

Well all you have to do is research Margaret Sanger, and her "Negro Project". Before it was called planned parenthood, it was called the American birth control league. That's what you would have to look into:

http://www.lifenews.com/2014/04/02/just-...a-society/

http://www.toomanyaborted.com/thenegroproject/

https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/arti...ontrol.php


A great source of information is here:  http://www.blackgenocide.org/negro.html

Malthusian eugenics was once mainstream, and is now underground. It was a reason why before WW2 Hitler was recognized as someone ahead of curve. Once you find the roots, and you stand under the foundation, you understand the big picture.

(February 18, 2016 at 9:10 pm)scoobysnack Wrote:

(February 17, 2016 at 10:28 pm)Brakeman Wrote: If you think this is a true statement you should have no trouble showing sources of black women being coerced into abortions. Did the government send telegrams to a black ladies suggesting that the G'ment would be angry with them if they had any black babies? I've never seen any examples of any action just talk by old racist white southerners to racist white southerners. I'd be you can't find any real communications of eugenic action to any black people.

Well all you have to do is research Margaret Sanger, and her "Negro Project". Before it was called planned parenthood, it was called the American birth control league. That's what you would have to look into:

http://www.lifenews.com/2014/04/02/just-...a-society/

http://www.toomanyaborted.com/thenegroproject/

https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/arti...ontrol.php


A great source of information is here:  http://www.blackgenocide.org/negro.html

Malthusian eugenics was once mainstream, and is now underground. It was a reason why before WW2 Hitler was recognized as someone ahead of curve. Once you find the roots, and you stand under the foundation, you understand the big picture.

Ok, Scoobs. I've donned my tinfoil helmet and body armor. Please, tell us more!!!

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