[damn, that was creepy, even for me]

(February 27, 2016 at 12:02 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Same as the ones who are;

molested by a priest

Only 1 out of 20 of those perverts are getting caught, and so, please do not assume that some are getting away with it.     And, also, I want to keep this thread on track.

(February 27, 2016 at 11:38 am)Drich Wrote:

(February 27, 2016 at 10:17 am)Jehanne Wrote: This doctrine was plainly taught in the early pre-medieval Christian Church:


Of course, Holy "Mother" Catholic Church has changed its/her tune on this one, but if it is true "now" that everyone who is conceived and born will transition from a state of "original sin" to a state of "sanctifying grace," why bother converting at all, or trying to convert anyone else?  If all infants who die in infancy are, in fact, saved, when does the "transition" come for those of them (us) who survive infancy that they (we) need to "convert" back to a state of sanctifying grace?  Or, does any of this still make sense to anyone?

Well it's nice to see the 'church' catch back up with the actual bible once in a while. In the bible's version it is Christ who decides who is saved and who is not, he does this by a personal examination of one's life. If and when you could comprehend sin and how much of the gospel you were exposed to verse how you responded to said gospel. the parable of the talents sums all of this up. "We are only responsible for what God has given us." Meaning it is not a church or religious movement's clauses, and rituals that saves you, but Christ's own personal judgement.

Man, that sounds like an awful lot of paper work. I hope Jesus has an office somewhere.

Or a good memory.

Hmm. Did god go back and fish all the burning babies out of hell when he changed his policy? Or did he leave them there, since they "done broke the rules" at the time they died?

Now, how am I going to try to have a "serious" (at least from their perspective) discussion with the religious, if you atheists keep making fun of their beliefs??

Burning babies for something that they have no control over makes as much sense as hanging someone in Brazil because someone in Australia committed murder. Stupid vindictive gods, the sooner we get rid of the whole idea the better.

Little, unbaptized children going to hell would be a scary and unjust thing if hell would actually exist. As it stand it's just another religious idiocy, same as baptism or rest of such meaningless rituals.

(February 27, 2016 at 2:06 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Now, how am I going to try to have a "serious" (at least from their perspective) discussion with the religious, if you atheists keep making fun of their beliefs??

In Islam babies who are buried alive go to paradise.

No. They just float around in limbo forever.

However.. they never get a chance to repent of their oringal sin.. so maybe Augustine was right?

If so..those babies better get used to the heat!