http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW99U4JWNEc


The speaker (Joshua Evans) is a convert to Islam, but we can ignore that for the sake of argument and I think even atheists will agree with him on this particular topic a least. So, all the Christians in the forum (fr0d0, tackattack, Ryft, etc.), tell me what you think. If you do find something wrong then please point it out.

I can only speak for myself, but for the little bit I had time to hear he contradicted himself a few times, and does quite a a bit of cherry picking. Regardless though I think unitarianism is a minimalist view in modern Christianity as it applies to a generic non-denominational stance. I agree that Jesus isn't God, in my own beliefs. I worship God, but the divinity of Christ is what provides the entry to the door of salvation. Even Jesus gave the glory to God. 48 min is entirely too long today. What I'm saying is, I believe in the Trinity and I agree with the statement Jesus isn't God.

I don't see the problem, you can make your fictional characters have any attributes you like.

(March 5, 2011 at 8:26 am)Zen Badger Wrote: I don't see the problem, you can make your fictional characters have any attributes you like.

+1 to that.

I only made it to number 8 and had to bail. Both of these cats sounded a bit, uuuh... undereducated?

...and the number one reason why Jesus is Not God is...(drum roll goes here)...

god doesn't exist (this includes Allah, BTW).

(March 5, 2011 at 9:44 am)Strongbad Wrote: ...and the number one reason why Jesus is Not God is...(drum roll goes here)...

god doesn't exist (this includes Allah, BTW).

Oh yeah ... first thing first ... but of course, you don't know if God exists or not like the rest of us nor even know what He is. I don't know either.

(March 5, 2011 at 3:05 pm)Rayaan Wrote:

(March 5, 2011 at 9:44 am)Strongbad Wrote: ...and the number one reason why Jesus is Not God is...(drum roll goes here)...

god doesn't exist (this includes Allah, BTW).

Oh yeah ... first thing first ... but of course, you don't know if God exists or not like the rest of us nor even know what He is. I don't know either.

You don't know what he is. Or who he is. Or even if he even exists. Yet you assume you know exactly how he wants you to live your life and you oblige to some rather strict codes of conduct about how you get to act in the vain hope of some sort of afterlife. It's Pathetic.

(March 5, 2011 at 6:40 am)Rayaan Wrote: The speaker (Joshua Evans) is a convert to Islam, but we can ignore that for the sake of argument and I think even atheists will agree with him on this particular topic a least. So, all the Christians in the forum (fr0d0, tackattack, Ryft, etc.), tell me what you think. If you do find something wrong then please point it out.

I don't think that atheists will agree with him, because his conclusion seems to be that Jesus was not God, he was a demi-god. Also his reasons are based on a book that atheists generally agree is utter rubbish. As for the christian perspective, I was raised baptist, and I was not taught that Jesus was God, in the sense that he is talking about. The Trinity was always a bit confusing, that's the only point from this show I agreed with, but he wasn't refuting the Christian view of the Trinity and Jesus divinity, he was refuting his own misinterpretation of the christian view. In the end, using rubbish to disprove other rubbish.

(March 5, 2011 at 3:05 pm)Rayaan Wrote:

(March 5, 2011 at 9:44 am)Strongbad Wrote: ...and the number one reason why Jesus is Not God is...(drum roll goes here)...

god doesn't exist (this includes Allah, BTW).

Oh yeah ... first thing first ... but of course, you don't know if God exists or not like the rest of us nor even know what He is. I don't know either.

Wow..this is a first for me. The first agnostic Muslim I have ever met.

I understand NOT believing in something if you say you dont know. But how do you reconcile BELIEVING you something you say you do not know?

(March 5, 2011 at 3:05 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Oh yeah ... first thing first ... but of course, you don't know if God exists or not like the rest of us nor even know what He is. I don't know either.

Gadzooks! It sounds to me like you don't know what the fuck you believe in. Maybe you're one of those Muslims who takes the position that it is possible that all of this Islam stuff is complete bullshit, but just in case it is true, you better claim to be a believer, lest you wind up in hell.