(March 10, 2016 at 5:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Ted Cruz is an outsider?  No.  The primary appeal, to replicunts, of Ted Cruz..... is that he's a white boy with an ethnic name, associated with Texas.

(March 10, 2016 at 4:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: And when I say "floated" think two turds in the same toilet.

(March 10, 2016 at 6:21 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I hope they succeed in screwing Trump though.  Nothing I'd like better than to see Trump explode and run as an independent thus ensuring that the fucking republicunts come in third.... just like 1912.

Quote:No man can be a good citizen unless he has a wage more than sufficient to cover the bare cost of living, and hours of labor short enough so that after his day's work is done he will have time and energy to bear his share in the management of the community, to help in carrying the general load. We keep countless men from being good citizens by the conditions of life with which we surround them. We need comprehensive workmen's compensation acts, both State and national laws to regulate child labor and work for women, and, especially, we need in our common schools not merely education in booklearning, but also practical training for daily life and work. We need to enforce better sanitary conditions for our workers and to extend the use of safety appliances for our workers in industry and commerce, both within and between the States.

– Theodore Roosevelt 1910

(March 10, 2016 at 6:41 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Teddy Roosevelt was the only great republican president of the 20th century.

(March 10, 2016 at 4:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(March 10, 2016 at 1:35 pm)abaris Wrote: It's also not what Marx and Engels had in mind. As usual, people lean on everyone's equal with equal pay and equal rights or obligations. That's what has been hammered into their heads for decades. But all they asked for was workers actually profiting from what they produce. Getting their fair share of the means of production. They also said that everyone should persue a career of their liking and do what they are best suited for. Total equality was never the goal.

Yeah, people have strange ideas about what was meant, or what was achieved, or even what was aimed for in that context.  All part of being used as boogeymen for a couple of generations, I guess.  Murica!

(March 10, 2016 at 1:41 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: That goes into another aspect of the debate. Should compensation be reliant on the difficulty and knowledge requirements of a job? The physical or mental demands of the job? The job's role in allowing a stable, functional and advanced society to function?

I think we can all agree that a doctor is a more vital job than a burger flipper, overall, and deserves very good compensation, but should that mean the burger flipper doesn't deserve a living wage? That's not an argument that makes sense to me.

Me neither, and sometimes I think we've ignored some of those metrics you mentioned above (they should all be factored in).  I don't think that theres a job on this earth that doesn;t deserve a living wage.  If someone -truly- can't make a living wage doing what they do (or by being paid by their boss....and on this end I have strong suspicions that it;s an excuse to exploit)....then, flat out, we don't need to make that shit.  It's a net loss, it's worthless. It wastes our limited resources, it wastes our limited time, and it cheapens our limited lives.

Burger flippers, for example...are the profitable commodity in most fast food joints...not the burgers.  That's some shady shit.