(March 11, 2016 at 1:19 am)Irrational Wrote: deserve that much

Who gets to decide that? Is there a standard that determines the amount or degree of "deserve" that someone gets?

(March 11, 2016 at 1:22 am)Kitan Wrote: The monetary system is just ridiculous and truly creates a social divide where there should be social unity. No one should make more than anyone else, why else would a company create a stipulation where it is illegal to discuss with other employees the matter of one's minimum wage? There would be no need for that fucking retarded stipulation if each individual earned the same wage.

I see absolutely no reason why a football player should earn millions of dollars a year just as I see no reason why a surgeon should more than anyone else.

That's because you are a dumb ass. Do you want a surgeon that gets payed the same as a burger flipper cutting you open?

(March 11, 2016 at 1:26 am)KUSA Wrote: That's because you are a dumb ass. Do you want a surgeon that gets payed the same as a burger flipper cutting you open?

Yes.

I see no reason why a surgeon cannot do as great a job earning the same amount of money as a teacher.

(March 11, 2016 at 1:27 am)Kitan Wrote:

(March 11, 2016 at 1:26 am)KUSA Wrote: That's because you are a dumb ass. Do you want a surgeon that gets payed the same as a burger flipper cutting you open?

Yes.

I see no reason why a surgeon cannot do as great a job earning the same amount of money as a teacher.

I expect you don't make much money.

(March 11, 2016 at 1:30 am)KUSA Wrote: I expect you don't make much money.

And I expect you wish you made more.

You are not making a valid point with that comment.

(March 11, 2016 at 1:27 am)Kitan Wrote: Yes.

I see no reason why a surgeon cannot do as great a job earning the same amount of money as a teacher.

Teachers are among our most important resources.  Obviously I'm biased because I'm a teacher, but I think a well educated society is the society that is the most free.  Without education we're not free at all.  We only have the illusion of freedom.

(March 11, 2016 at 1:22 am)Kitan Wrote: The monetary system is just ridiculous and truly creates a social divide where there should be social unity.  No one should make more than anyone else, why else would a company create a stipulation where it is illegal to discuss with other employees the matter of one's minimum wage?  There would be no need for that fucking retarded stipulation if each individual earned the same wage.  

I see absolutely no reason why a football player should earn millions of dollars a year just as I see no reason why a surgeon should more than anyone else.

It's because of personal choice and personal freedom that some people have more value than others when it comes to earning money most of the time.


For example I can't just say "Ok, I'm starting a company called Pauls computers, we aren't as good as Microsoft, we don't have a trusted company brand, I've invested no time at all in computer programming but I want people to be forced to buy Paul computers resulting in me earning as much as Bill Gates."


 Football players earn millions of dollars because lots and lots of people enjoy watching football, buy football products, footballers have a brand in themselves so can be used for advertising, surgeons earn lots of money because people like living, and surgery sometimes prevents death, plus lots of celebrities choose to walk around with massive oversized lips and ridiculous looking fake tits, they choose that and surgeons provide it.

So for everyone to earn the same you'd have to artificially enforce equal value on all services and goods, and there's millions of reasons why I don't see that as possible.  Or just simply steal the money off people who have earned more then give it to people who earned less.

(March 11, 2016 at 12:12 am)KUSA Wrote:

(March 10, 2016 at 11:25 pm)Minimalist Wrote: And where are these "better jobs," K.  That's the piece that these corporate pricks never talk about.  They moved the higher paying manufacturing jobs to Asia.

That's because we have had stupid fuck politicians in office. We need the jobs to move back here.

However, it is quite possible to get a better job than flipping  burgers. As I said, flippers should be students and such that want / need a part time job.

I worked several part time minimum wage jobs when I was young. I worked my way on to better jobs and now make 6 figures. It didn't happen by accident though. Nobody gave me shit. I did what it took to make myself marketable and able to get the good jobs.

If you are a world class doctor, you deserve a world class pay check.

If you are an amazing burger flipper working for a premium, gormet restaurant, you deserve an amazing paycheck.

It's not about the profession, it's about who your employer is. It just so happens that most burger flipping jobs require little entry skill so most employers in need of someone to fill the position aren't willing to pay much. However, you need to stop generalizing every profession you mention as fitting one scenario, because it's all relative to the situation.

(March 11, 2016 at 1:31 am)Kitan Wrote: And I expect you wish you made more.

Of course I do. That's why I make a business plan each year to reflect what I want to make. Then I go out and make it. I don't sit around with my thumb up my ass wishing I had more money.

Quote:You are not making a valid point with that comment.

It is a valid point. You don't offer much to society so you just want to drag professionals down to your miserable level. It's wrong. We all need the achievers in the world to lift us all up. We won't do it for your pathetic income.

(March 11, 2016 at 1:23 am)KUSA Wrote:

(March 11, 2016 at 1:19 am)Irrational Wrote: deserve that much

Who gets to decide that? Is there a standard that determines the amount or degree of "deserve" that someone gets?

Just use reason and a common sense standard of what constitutes fair.