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The Problem with Christians
March 31, 2016 at 7:55 pm
(March 31, 2016 at 5:54 pm)athrock Wrote: (March 31, 2016 at 5:40 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: This corner you imagine you've backed me into exists only in your mind, athrock. Right next to your God. It doesn't matter how many times you say it: quoting scientists who believe in ID does not make ID true. There is still that pesky business of evidence for God and evidence for design that you (or anyone else) have, as of yet, failed to produce.
That was not what I said, LC.
I said that the fact that serious scientists see a case for ID suggests that it is not based on "convoluted reasoning". Unless, of course, you wish to ascribe "convoluted thinking" to some folks who have proven themselves to be pretty well-stocked in the "little grey cells" department. 
I stand by my opinion. You needn't like it; that makes no difference to me. How's that evidence for God coming?
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March 31, 2016 at 8:11 pm
(March 31, 2016 at 10:38 am)AAA Wrote: (March 31, 2016 at 10:00 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: In both atlas and 3A's case, the phenomenon they happily accept without a shred of physical evidence is in every conceivable way far more outrageous and unlikely than the phenomenon which they reject in SPITE of evidence beyond any reasonable doubt.
It's...amazing. I've never seen two people who hold such an extraordinary belief based solely on faith (made even more extraordinary and unlikely considering they are putting forth not just an anonymous intelligent designer, but the MGC...good luck connecting all those dots with science and sound logic, guys) babble on and on for so damned long about science and odds. Do you not hear yourselves? Do you not understand how ridiculously convoluted your thinking is?
Why is it outrageous to say that biological systems may have been designed, when intelligence is the only known cause capable of explaining what we know about cells? We babble about science and odds because these are the most informative tools for determining if current models are sufficient to explain the formation of life. I could go through a calculation of the odds of a functionally significant protein forming by chance if you want. You can disagree with the philosophy behind it, but disagreeing with the math is not a good idea. Math is the only way to truly prove anything.
Oh, please...I beg of you...don't start talking about odds. I think Esquilax's head might explode. And intelligence is not the only known cause...it's just the only known cause theists are willing to hear about. It's not my fault you spend your time arguing against a false understanding of evolution.
And I am still waiting for an answer from anyone as to why theists feel they don't need to present evidence of God. Any takers?
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 31, 2016 at 8:15 pm
Because god told them to ignore us.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 31, 2016 at 8:46 pm
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 31, 2016 at 10:28 pm
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RE: The Problem with Christians
March 31, 2016 at 11:56 pm
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Life is elegant because it accomplishes what it needs to, huh?
Are these needs being imposed on the designer, or did he impose them upon himself? Is he solving a task that was already set up for him, or did he create the task and all the requirements?
In other words, where are all these obstacles coming from, for him to overcome?
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 1, 2016 at 5:55 am
(March 31, 2016 at 8:23 am)Stimbo Wrote: (March 31, 2016 at 4:47 am)AJW333 Wrote: When God created the universe, he created the dimension of time. He is not subject to age in the way we measure it because he is outside of time. Therefore it is not necessary that God has a creator - he is eternal.
How do you know this?
Looking at the complexity of living systems and determining that the chances that these things evolved from random chemicals is infinitely less than there being a super intelligence that designed it all.
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 1, 2016 at 5:58 am
The delusions just keep coming!
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RE: The Problem with Christians
April 1, 2016 at 6:00 am
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Looking at stuff...
And imagining probabilities...
There seems to be a problem with objective conclusions here. Looky likey theory.
There's also the problem that something may "look designed" but actually may not be; or vice versa. Whatever that phrase may mean to any particular person. That's why staring at stuff and announcing conclusions doesn't count as science.
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