Quote:Hitler occupied territories, he didn't exterminate those within.

Well,actually ,he did.

It was part of Nazi policy to [eventually] empty regions of untermenschen,which included all slavic peoples,and replace them with aryan Germans.This policy was called lebensraum (living space)


The Einsatzgruppen were respsonsible for the murder of over one million people in Eastern Europe BY THEIR OWN FIGURES.

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Quote:Lebensraum (German for "habitat" or literally "living space") was one of the major political ideas of Adolf Hitler, and an important component of Nazi ideology. It served as the motivation for the expansionist policies of Nazi Germany, aiming to provide extra space for the growth of the German population, for a Greater Germany. In Hitler's book Mein Kampf, he detailed his belief that the German people needed Lebensraum ("living space", i.e. land and raw materials), and that it should be found in the East. It was the stated policy of the Nazis to kill, deport, or enslave the Polish, Russian and other Slavic populations, whom they considered inferior, and to repopulate the land with Germanic peoples. The entire urban population was to be exterminated by starvation, thus creating an agricultural surplus to feed Germany and allowing their replacement by a German upper class.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

The actions of the Einsatzgruppen have been called 'the hidden Holocaust'

Quote:Einsatzgruppen (German: "task forces";[1] singular Einsatzgruppe) were SS paramilitary death squads that were responsible for mass killings, typically by shooting, of Jews in particular, but also significant numbers of other population groups and political categories. The Einsatzgruppen operated throughout the territory occupied by the German armed forces following the German invasions of Poland, in September, 1939, and later, of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. The Einsatzgruppen carried out operations ranging from the murder of a few people to operations which lasted over two or more days, such as the massacres at Babi Yar (33,771 killed in two days) and Rumbula (25,000 killed in two days). The Einsatzgruppen were responsible for the murders of over 1,000,000 people, and they were the first Nazi organizations to commence mass killing of Jews as an organized policy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen

True, Padriac. But it certainly wasn't as effectively applied as it could have been (One might note that there were still people not of Germany inside it's occupied territories). I agree with the ideal up to the point of the people being considered 'superior'. That said, I'll take Silicoid citizens over <insert species here> every day. Doesn't apply to any variety of the human populace however, hence why i don't agree with that facet of the idea.

(March 20, 2011 at 2:57 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Because it is so hard to carpet bomb/haze an area? It's really not. It's discriminate killing that is hard to manage. The more effective the weapons: the easier it is to exterminate the pests. Get rid of as many as you can before they evolve a tolerance to your favorite brand of pesticide.

Even back in WWII when carpet bombing was thing all the cool countries were doing even with thousand bomber raids and the levelling of entire cities there was never any chance of the populations of any of the countries involved having their populations wiped out. Most airforces these days do not have one thousand bombers.

(March 20, 2011 at 5:09 am)Ubermensch Wrote:

(March 20, 2011 at 2:57 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Because it is so hard to carpet bomb/haze an area? It's really not. It's discriminate killing that is hard to manage. The more effective the weapons: the easier it is to exterminate the pests. Get rid of as many as you can before they evolve a tolerance to your favorite brand of pesticide.

Even back in WWII when carpet bombing was thing all the cool countries were doing even with thousand bomber raids and the levelling of entire cities there was never any chance of the populations of any of the countries involved having their populations wiped out. Most airforces these days do not have one thousand bombers.

Didn't they drop potatoes back then?

If you're going to bomb something: use modern day bombs. Potatoes don't explode. Unless you put them in a microwave. Nukes tend to work well enough. Also, try an assorted variety of bombs (gas/chem/bio/whatever). If you'd like to throw a single potato into each batch, be my guest. I seriously doubt anyone is going to be left to eat its ashes.

Honestly, there isn't much point in carpet bombing a city if you can't kill off the vast majority of the populace. I suspect whatever carpet bombing there was in WWII would have at least met with some success (else why would they continue to do it?).

(March 20, 2011 at 5:29 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Didn't they drop potatoes back then?

If you're going to bomb something: use modern day bombs. Potatoes don't explode. Unless you put them in a microwave. Nukes tend to work well enough. Also, try an assorted variety of bombs (gas/chem/bio/whatever). If you'd like to throw a single potato into each batch, be my guest. I seriously doubt anyone is going to be left to eat its ashes.

Honestly, there isn't much point in carpet bombing a city if you can't kill off the vast majority of the populace. I suspect whatever carpet bombing there was in WWII would have at least met with some success (else why would they continue to do it?).

No they did not drop potatoes back then. They tended to drop bombs, hundreds from each plane even. Nukes are a bad idea, sure you've depopulated the land, but now it's irradiated and you can't get at the resources. Chem is the same story, long term contamination is bad. Bio might work, but if your virus mutates, or it spreads beyond your desired area of effect then you have a serious problem. genocide is extremely difficult and simply not worth the time and effort. You're going to put more resources into killing these people than you're going to get when it's over.

(March 20, 2011 at 6:57 am)Ubermensch Wrote: No they did not drop potatoes back then. They tended to drop bombs, hundreds from each plane even. Nukes are a bad idea, sure you've depopulated the land, but now it's irradiated and you can't get at the resources. Chem is the same story, long term contamination is bad. Bio might work, but if your virus mutates, or it spreads beyond your desired area of effect then you have a serious problem. genocide is extremely difficult and simply not worth the time and effort. You're going to put more resources into killing these people than you're going to get when it's over.

Well thought out point. It all comes down to cost then, and while it might be a great answer at some times: it is a dreadfully inefficient in others.