(February 20, 2011 at 12:07 am)theVOID Wrote: selling sex doesn't have to be to the detriment of the person, they obviously think that the money they receive is a greater benefit to them than the act of sex on camera is a detriment, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

Obviously the financial gain is the motivator. It's usually high because it means a lot to people. That doesn't mean to say the act is comparable to every other way of making money. That would be to hide from the consequences of the act.

Part of you is your potential for intimacy with another person. In my mind, it's the most precious possession a person has. To sell that is to lose it. However you do that.

If you observe people involved in it, you'll see that is foremost in their thinking.

It can be a lucrative profession for little effort. Easy money. That's why people do it. Personally, I wouldn't work in a shop that sold pornography, and that's not because of my religious convictions. I don't want to be pulled down by the association. Sex is great, and should be respected for what it is. Pornography is anti sex. It de-humanises it for profit.

(February 20, 2011 at 6:49 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(February 20, 2011 at 12:07 am)theVOID Wrote: selling sex doesn't have to be to the detriment of the person, they obviously think that the money they receive is a greater benefit to them than the act of sex on camera is a detriment, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

Obviously the financial gain is the motivator. It's usually high because it means a lot to people. That doesn't mean to say the act is comparable to every other way of making money. That would be to hide from the consequences of the act.

Part of you is your potential for intimacy with another person. In my mind, it's the most precious possession a person has. To sell that is to lose it. However you do that.

If you observe people involved in it, you'll see that is foremost in their thinking.

It can be a lucrative profession for little effort. Easy money. That's why people do it. Personally, I wouldn't work in a shop that sold pornography, and that's not because of my religious convictions. I don't want to be pulled down by the association. Sex is great, and should be respected for what it is. Pornography is anti sex. It de-humanises it for profit.

Awww fr0d0... you're just one romantic little Love Bunni ain'tcha??
I actually applied for a position in an 'Adult Porn shop'

I was rejected because I was ...ermmm "too experienced" and might frighten the 'younger' customers

Maybe you should spend some time at the nearest "Adult Shop" or do what I do and attend the annual 'Sexpo' I'm sure your lady would appreciate it.

(February 20, 2011 at 6:49 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(February 20, 2011 at 12:07 am)theVOID Wrote: selling sex doesn't have to be to the detriment of the person, they obviously think that the money they receive is a greater benefit to them than the act of sex on camera is a detriment, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

Obviously the financial gain is the motivator. It's usually high because it means a lot to people. That doesn't mean to say the act is comparable to every other way of making money. That would be to hide from the consequences of the act.

You assume everyone is so fragile that doing porn would damage them, and as far as consequences go there are a great many jobs with far more severe consequences than porn, yet I wouldn't think you would let that taint your opinion of it.

It really seems to me that you're just personally uncomfortable with the idea and you're trying to turn that into a problem for the porn actors, I really don't think they view things the same as you, so you can't expect them to have the same feelings towards it.

Quote:Part of you is your potential for intimacy with another person. In my mind, it's the most precious possession a person has. To sell that is to lose it. However you do that.

That's a complete crock, Firstly, you're projecting your values again, Secondly, I bet the majority of porn stars have fairly normal home lives with their partners, selling sex does not necessarily mean that you can't be intimate with others - I don't doubt that some people have suffered negatively from it, but I've seen nothing to indicate that this is a common occurrence - And it's not like porn would have the worst effect on intimacy either, being overweight would be more detrimental.

Quote:If you observe people involved in it, you'll see that is foremost in their thinking.

Evidence?

Quote:It can be a lucrative profession for little effort. Easy money. That's why people do it.

Sure, and some of them even enjoy it.

Quote: Personally, I wouldn't work in a shop that sold pornography, and that's not because of my religious convictions. I don't want to be pulled down by the association.

Good thing they aren't you then no?

Quote:Sex is great, and should be respected for what it is.

And porn is a legitimate business involving consenting adults who can make their own decisions.

Quote:Pornography is anti sex. It de-humanises it for profit.

Anti-sex? Lol

To you maybe, I don't have a problem with it, porn does absolutely nothing to diminish sex for me and it doesn't change what it's like to have an intimate relationship and some times it's a good mix, but mostly it's just something to fap to.

(February 19, 2011 at 5:59 pm)padraic Wrote: False dichotomy; I oppose censorship. I actually don't care about pornography ,finding it tacky and boring.---However, erotica is a different matter entirely.Tigger likes erotica.

How is it a false dichotomy? Either you support something or you don't; there is no in-between. If there was, it would violate one of the fundamental laws of logic.

VOID. You said "I bet" & I said "I've seen". i.e. I'm coming from a position of actual evidence to your conjecture on the subject. You don't think vs I've seen plenty interviews with those people saying that. Yours seems the opinion we need evidence to support.
Every time a person in the porn industry is interviewed that comes up, or it's the profiteer like the madame or the producer who have zero interest in slating the industry for what it is. Some people are hard nosed and can't see it, granted. Some people murder and see nothing wrong with that. I call those people retards tho'. You seem to think they're normal.

I didn't say there weren't jobs with greater consequences. I don't see what that's got to do with the discussion here. Though I find it interesting you introduce it. Justification from lesser evil perhaps? Just like the justification from classification "well it's selling like any type of selling i.e. selling clothes".

Tempting things are enjoyable/ profitable... that's why they're tempting. That in itself therefore can't also be justification. There's a consequence, and that consequence is detrimental to you as a person. An addiction is comparable. Can you justify addiction in the same way? I think you can... which demonstrates clearly the problem with all of them.

I also support victimless activities.

Also, I use to write erotica.
So to say I'm against is kind of hypocritical in a way.

(February 20, 2011 at 7:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: VOID. You said "I bet" & I said "I've seen". i.e. I'm coming from a position of actual evidence to your conjecture on the subject.

No different to your assumptions and your blanket painting of porn actors as victims.

Quote:You don't think vs I've seen plenty interviews with those people saying that. Yours seems the opinion we need evidence to support.

I've seen docos about porn stars and interviews too and it was a very different picture than you claim. A Louis Theroux doco comes to mind where he hung out with porn stars for a week or so, most of them said they liked their job, the others said it was worth the money.

Quote:Every time a person in the porn industry is interviewed that comes up, or it's the profiteer like the madame or the producer who have zero interest in slating the industry for what it is. Some people are hard nosed and can't see it, granted. Some people murder and see nothing wrong with that. I call those people retards tho'. You seem to think they're normal.

Firstly, it sounds to me like you're assuming they're lying. Secondly, If you're watching any porn interviews released by porn companies it's no different than company x pushing product y, all marketing is made to look rosey.

And Murder VS Porn is one of the most bullshit comparisons you've ever presented here, especially when we don't even agree about porn actors being in any way victims.

Quote:I didn't say there weren't jobs with greater consequences. I don't see what that's got to do with the discussion here. Though I find it interesting you introduce it.

It's perfectly valid, you seem to think that's because it's sex it's somehow worse - I think that's complete bullshit.

Quote:Justification from lesser evil perhaps?

I don't see anything about adults making porn evil, so no.

Quote:Just like the justification from classification "well it's selling like any type of selling i.e. selling clothes".

It's similar in principle, two consenting people exchanging a service or product for money. The fact that it's sex does naught to invalidate that comparison.

Quote:Tempting things are enjoyable/ profitable... that's why they're tempting.

That's why we all work, because we need shit.

Quote: That in itself therefore can't also be justification. There's a consequence, and that consequence is detrimental to you as a person

What detriment? And what data are you basing that on?

Quote:An addiction is comparable.

HOW?

Quote:Can you justify addiction in the same way? I think you can... which demonstrates clearly the problem with all of them.

An addiction is a physical or psychological need for a stimulant, but according to you porn sex isn't a stimulant, rather it ruins sexual activity, so I'm surprised you'd suggest it.

Padriac Wrote:Mmm, coming from an infamous madam,I think that qualifies as a self serving statement.It's also simplistic and judgmental. Just who does she think she is, Shere Hite? (and Betty Friedan has had her moments)

I haven't directly charged yet... me is much too sneaky for that But really, wives are either stupid or out to get you... marriage is a TRAP! XD

Pornography, etymology aside (for the sake of looking at how it's actually used, not just the pedigree of the word) is stupid.

What it does is take people and imagine what it would be like if they were only sex toys. I'm fine with art, and even with art that distorts certain images and ideas in order to emphasize something or some elements of certain things that we are neglecting or underplaying--I could imagine someone using the example of social repression as a reason for creating pornography, as a sort of equal and opposite reaction--but to deliberately manipulate one's own or other people's emotions in what is already arguably an imbalanced area of self-control, and cultivate the habit of looking at people as objects of selfish gratification instead of others to be respected and loved makes no sense for anyone trying to live constructively. I think Pornography is one of the few things that can be labeled as evil, whatever your religious or non-religious background--it can be labeled because it is the practice of improperly labeling--it can be called evil (if there is such a thing as evil) because at best it is a perversion of what is natural to what is purely a selfish whim. I'm not engaging in slurs or religious labeling, I'm simply stating something as secular as a golden-rule. I can tolerate a lot of things, but I'm sure that nobody can reasonably think through pornography (if they reach the same conclusion as me, that it's all self-serving twisting of images, leading to a debased mentality toward others, and sometimes a kind of addiction to one's own sexual desires) and still say that there is anything about that worth commending. Pornography is kind of a last stop if you want to retain any kind of meaning or morality about your life. Pornography suggests a kind of false life, a lie, which you can distort to suit your own desires. That may not seem to bother anybody else, but I sure as heck wouldn't recommend it for building up any kind of a society or healthy worldview for anyone. I think I've made my reasons clear why I don't support it--what's to support? and why I would condemn it. Most people might shrink that "condemning" an idea--but using/abusing other people and their nature for selfish pleasure is about as close to an equation with evil as anyone will be able to agree on, ever. I don't think people need to believe in God firmly to have a pretty strong sense that there is such a thing as evil. There is a price that is too high to justify certain actions, even private ones--I think pornography is one of those unjustifiable actions.


For others (by the way, I'm not equating porn with Nazi's--just letting people know about a GRREAT mental thriller--watch the movie "After The Truth" about the Nazis. Pretty fascinating, award-winning, and great acting & directing about a Nazi who tries to argue in a modern tribunal that what he did was praise-worthy or at least not-blameable. And Succeeds. Kind of scary. Makes you ask yourself where you draw the line, and how, and why. Makes you wonder whether convenient gratification or self-preservation at a given moment is worth what it makes you give up--a life of integrity and real meaning you can believe in (even if you don't believe in God).

(March 22, 2011 at 3:50 pm)QuestingHound08 Wrote: For others (by the way, I'm not equating porn with Nazi's--just letting people know about a GRREAT mental thriller--watch the movie "After The Truth" about the Nazis. Pretty fascinating, award-winning, and great acting & directing about a Nazi who tries to argue in a modern tribunal that what he did was praise-worthy or at least not-blameable. And Succeeds. Kind of scary. Makes you ask yourself where you draw the line, and how, and why. Makes you wonder whether convenient gratification or self-preservation at a given moment is worth what it makes you give up--a life of integrity and real meaning you can believe in (even if you don't believe in God).

Humanity is both boring and ugly , rather let my imagination fly by looking at weird sexual pictures that or lots of hentai