(April 14, 2016 at 2:27 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(April 14, 2016 at 1:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote: NO isn't philosophical it is actual science. God claims are literally a projection of human qualities on non human things.

Citations, please.

Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, Victor Stenger "God The failed Hypothesis" and "The New Atheism". Stephen Hawking"A god is not required", and Ochams Razor which points you to the correct answer between multiple choices. 1 A god exists, or 2, Humans make them up.

Now sorry, if you don't want to take the time to read those books, that is on you. But science DOES tell us in evolutionary terms that humans make up god claims as a result of our flawed perceptions in the form of gap filling. I am not going to do your homework for you.

It might surprise you to know that I am familiar with those works. You are parroting the opinions of people you respect. There is not a single scientific study that conclusively demonstrates that belief in god is wishful thinking. I'm open to being wrong so please dig up some actual research for me to consider.

(April 14, 2016 at 2:39 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: It might surprise you to know that I am familiar with those works. You are parroting the opinions of people you respect. There is not a single scientific study that conclusively demonstrates that belief in god is wishful thinking. I'm open to being wrong so please dig up some actual research for me to consider.

No. First off you try to use the word respect, and what you really mean is "worship" but you wont use that word because that would make you look stupid. I value what they say in the same way I value my TV and traffic lights and doctors, and computers, because they WORK. You not wanting to accept reality is your baggage.

Humans make up gods all of them. They do it as a placebo, a gap fill. It is a result of our species notoriously flawed perceptions. I am sorry that bothers you, but again, that is your baggage, not mine. Maybe YOU need to grow up and consider you got it wrong instead of pretending. 

I do not respect them or worship them. I value facts and what they write is based on lab tested science, not bullshit humans merely like believing.

(April 14, 2016 at 2:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(April 14, 2016 at 2:39 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: It might surprise you to know that I am familiar with those works. You are parroting the opinions of people you respect. There is not a single scientific study that conclusively demonstrates that belief in god is wishful thinking. I'm open to being wrong so please dig up some actual research for me to consider.

No. First off you try to use the word respect, and what you really mean is "worship" but you wont use that word because that would make you look stupid. I value what they say in the same way I value my TV and traffic lights and doctors, and computers, because they WORK. You not wanting to accept reality is your baggage.

Humans make up gods all of them. They do it as a placebo, a gap fill. It is a result of our species notoriously flawed perceptions. I am sorry that bothers you, but again, that is your baggage, not mine. Maybe YOU need to grow up and consider you got it wrong instead of pretending. 

I do not respect them or worship them. I value facts and what they write is based on lab tested science, not bullshit humans merely like believing.

When I said "respect", I meant respect, nothing more. So again where is this lab tested science you say exists? I'd like to read it.

(April 14, 2016 at 3:20 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(April 14, 2016 at 2:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No. First off you try to use the word respect, and what you really mean is "worship" but you wont use that word because that would make you look stupid. I value what they say in the same way I value my TV and traffic lights and doctors, and computers, because they WORK. You not wanting to accept reality is your baggage.

Humans make up gods all of them. They do it as a placebo, a gap fill. It is a result of our species notoriously flawed perceptions. I am sorry that bothers you, but again, that is your baggage, not mine. Maybe YOU need to grow up and consider you got it wrong instead of pretending. 

I do not respect them or worship them. I value facts and what they write is based on lab tested science, not bullshit humans merely like believing.

When I said "respect", I meant respect, nothing more. So again where is this lab tested science you claim exists? I'd like to read it.

Bullshit Chad, you attempted to use "respect" as a slur to justify the fact you have no evidence for your position. 

Stop it Chad, WE KNOW from evolution and human psychology that god claims are nothing but humans projections of their own qualities. You not wanting to face that is your problem, not mine. I am not going to play word games with you. You merely like the idea of having a super hero, but that idea is merely you. It is a neurological misfire in your brain, in the same way a moth will mistake the light bulb for moonlight, but you already knew that analogy having read Dawkins book.

AGAIN, you not wanting to accept reality is your baggage. There is no god, there never was. GROW UP.

(April 14, 2016 at 1:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote: NO isn't philosophical it is actual science. God claims are literally a projection of human qualities on non human things. Not my baggage you don't want to accept that.

show me the 'science'/citations that support the OP

You can't because the OP was constructed from a philosophical understanding of "everything." Which only includes the 3 dimensions. Otherwise if you approached from a scientific POV you'd know Science allows or makes a provision for multidimensional Theory.

All I've done is point out that what the bible describes is a ancient man's understanding of the transdemensional being responsible for this world/matrix and His dwellings.

EVOLUTION, neurological pathways, we can prove they exist. And when we gap fill we create those pathways even with false beliefs. We know both by measuring the brain LITERALLY in it's electro activity and chemistry the parts of the brain that light up when we think about what we think are positive things, and we know just like a phantom pain an amputee might feel, that "feeling" can be a totally false experience and yet still feel very real.

God belief is no different than convincing a kid Santa is real. If you want to believe it badly enough, no matter how false, you will.

Now it is still NOT up to me to prove shit, so get your god claim in a lab or shut up, either way it is still not up to me to do your homework for you.

(April 14, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 14, 2016 at 1:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote: NO isn't philosophical it is actual science. God claims are literally a projection of human qualities on non human things. Not my baggage you don't want to accept that.

show me the 'science'/citations that support the OP

You can't because the OP was constructed from a philosophical understanding of "everything." Which only includes the 3 dimensions. Otherwise if you approached from a scientific POV you'd know Science allows or makes a provision for multidimensional Theory.

All I've done is point out that what the bible describes is a ancient man's understanding of the transdemensional being responsible for this world/matrix and His dwellings.

More word salads from our resident fact-vegan.

"Transdemensional" traslation= pulling shit out of my ass.

(April 14, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 14, 2016 at 1:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote: NO isn't philosophical it is actual science. God claims are literally a projection of human qualities on non human things. Not my baggage you don't want to accept that.

show me the 'science'/citations that support the OP

You can't because the OP was constructed from a philosophical understanding of "everything." Which only includes the 3 dimensions. Otherwise if you approached from a scientific POV you'd know Science allows or makes a provision for multidimensional Theory.

All I've done is point out that what the bible describes is a ancient man's understanding of the transdemensional being responsible for this world/matrix and His dwellings.

Why should we care if the Bible makes claims about a transdemensional  being?

The Bible is not evidence for any supernatural claims, it is the CLAIM!