(April 15, 2016 at 5:21 pm)Ignorant Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 5:15 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Part 1. Things that are not unnecessary? Nice word play huh. Part 2. If it's a "thing" it exists, even if only a fabrication of the individual(s) mind. This does not necessarily equal reality. (just in case you're going down the god path)

What makes you think I am going down the god path?

Ok, is there any "thing" which doesn't merely happen to exist, but cannot help but exist?

Reality.

(April 15, 2016 at 5:22 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Yes. Everything. Self-evidently.

I'm not sure I share your meaning of self-evidence. What does that mean when you write it?

If everything necessarily exists and cannot not exist, how does this view account for quantum fluctuation (i.e. some particles begin and then cease to exist within a fraction of a second)? If a particle ceases to exist, it wasn't existing necessarily/of necessity, but rather it happened to exist. Necessity is not the same as determinism. Determinism uses the word "necessary" in the sense that, given a certain set of causes and conditions, certain and determined effects occur necessarily. Necessity in the sense I am proposing means that for a given necessary thing, its non-existence is not possible.

(April 15, 2016 at 5:28 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Reality.

Great. How did you arrive at that?

(April 15, 2016 at 5:29 pm)Ignorant Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 5:28 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Reality.

Great. How did you arrive at that?

By typing.

(April 15, 2016 at 5:30 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: By typing.

Oh I'm sure you're more rational than that! Just think about it. How did you form that conclusion? No hurry.

(April 15, 2016 at 5:32 pm)Ignorant Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 5:30 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: By typing.

Oh I'm sure you're more rational than that! Just think about it. How did you form that conclusion? No hurry.

Explain why you question my conclusion. You started this thread, what's your conclusion/answer to the OP?

Who said I'm questioning the conclusion? I just want to know how you formed it. You don't have to explain it to me if you don't want to. Just say, "I don't want to tell you" and I'll be just fine.

Is there a rule indicating that by starting a thread, I am obligated to answer any general questions I pose? If so, consider me as one gathering evidence.

Yeah, the wiggly dance. Not answering their own questions. I can't quite say why there's that particular troll smell.

(April 15, 2016 at 5:46 pm)abaris Wrote: Yeah, the wiggly dance. Not answering their own questions. I can't quite say why there's that particular troll smell.

In both the threads it feels like baiting a trap. Not feeling like bait today. Igno is apparently not ready to spring the trap.

(April 15, 2016 at 5:53 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: In both the threads it feels like baiting a trap. Not feeling like bait today. Igno is apparently not ready to spring the trap.

The usual getting their rocks off over leading people on behavior. Hence, troll. And, as I already said, eerily similar to the late and unlamented True Christian.