(April 21, 2016 at 1:34 pm)Divinity Wrote: I raised six kids.  Two daughters, three sons, one sister.  Mostly by myself.  I never once hit any of my kids.  All but one of them turned out great.  The other is just a douche.  I blame his father.   DNA is responsible for that one.  But he's still not violent.  All of them are adults now, all but my sister are married, most of them have kids.  (Only my sister and my youngest daughter doesn't, and she's a lesbian).  Their kids are turning out okay too, and they don't spank either because I didn't raise them that way.  

You know how you get kids to turn out good?  Be involved with their lives.  Show them love, support, and compassion.  Give appropriate discipline when necessary.  

I was a very lenient mother.  My kids could get away with pretty much everything.  You know why they turned out well?  Because they learned the lessons they needed to learn.  You know why they did?  Because I made sure they did, and i didn't need to spank them to get through to them.  I wonder how these people get through to their kids when they get too old for spankings.

In my experience, they get bigger weapons to spank them with.

(April 20, 2016 at 9:15 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:

(April 20, 2016 at 8:53 pm)Losty Wrote: Even if he is trolling, there are people who really believe all this crap. And that is so sad.

My father was one of them.  His father was a brilliant man, but had major mental issues.  He used to thrash my uncle, but left my father alone because he was the youngest.  As a result, my father came to believe that discipline could only come from extreme punishment.

He used to physically abuse my oldest brother until my other brother was born.  He then turned to mental abuse, especially after I was born.

He was a military guy, but one of those guys who greatly exaggerated his own ability and importance.  Served in Vietnam for four months with the Air Force as an aircraft mechanic.  He was as far away from combat as one could get while remaining in theatre, working at an actual airport with real pavement and relatively modern (for the time) facilities. So, he claimed PTSD and had "night terrors" where he'd smack my mom around in the middle of the night. He was never apologetic, never sought help, so I'm thinking it was a BS excuse.

So, whenever we did something 'wrong', which was never a big deal (oh no, something was spilled!  Or not put away!  Or we looked at him or said something wrong!), he would berate us military style.  We were lined up side by side while he did his best Full Metal Jacket drill instructor impression, being sure to tell us what worthless pieces of shit we were, and how whatever whim he had was simply the way it was and not to be questioned, and that we likely wouldn't amount to anything, and so on.

It turned out he was a child molester, too.  He repeatedly sexually abused my cousin/godmother from the age of 8 until she was 16 during the late 70s/early 80s.  We didn't find out until 1999 because she knew we needed his income largely for my medical bills (and, trust me, nothing makes you feel like an utter stain like learning someone you love kept a terrible secret and withstood the worst kind of violation because you merely exist).  We barely made the statute of limitations, but he spent about 14 years in prison for it, and my brothers and I legally changed our last names to our mom's maiden name.

So, yeah, I understand might-makes-right fuckheads for the terrible cowards they are.  I am not impressed nor amused by them.

My cousin could have written this post almost word-for-word ... except that she was the molestation victim, too.

(April 21, 2016 at 12:08 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 20, 2016 at 5:16 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: hey, Drich, do you advocate the type of child "education" put promoted by the Pearls?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pearl

the web page does speak to technique it's just a pastry piece designed to allow empathizers to gorge themselves or personal character flaws so as to try and discredit the man without having to address (any) merits of his work may have.

You know the kind of mindless zombie crap you guys have been doing here to me.

I don't know his work so I can not say one way or another.

I'm not doing anything to you here.

I asked a simple question.

The article does do a good job in pointing out what vile individuals the Pearls are.

(April 21, 2016 at 10:34 am)Drich Wrote: keep reading sport.

I separated the term "turn out" to mean who the kid is/what his core values are, verses what he will be

Sure thing, Scrub. You won't even know their core values. You can hope they imbibe yours, but anyone who has raised children knows that they aren't automatons. Even the Phelps's of WBC notoriety have had a couple of their children repudiate the values of their parents, which were instilled with your obnoxious methodology.

You don't know shit, but you suffer too much pride to admit that basic fact.

(April 21, 2016 at 12:38 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I am really amused by Drich trying to paint us as bad because we don't beat children and find it a vile practice.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, fuckwit.

I'm confused how do you not see yourself as not being vile? Would you also withhold food or water from your child if they desperately needed it?

(April 21, 2016 at 12:43 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(April 21, 2016 at 12:38 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night, fuckwit.

Scary thing is, he probably doesn't have any problems sleeping at night.

actually have some problems not sleeping through some of your longer posts.

(April 21, 2016 at 12:49 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: And, yeah, I got spanked as a kid.  Know what it taught me?

That people in positions of absolute power (and he had absolute power over me due to my disability) are often bullies.
That respect is created through patience, compassion, and teaching rather than a wanton show of force.
That legitimate authority doesn't naturally stem from one's station as a 'parent' (I use the term loosely in this context).
That I should simply be smarter about when I chose to misbehave.  To not do it around him, but do it more egregiously away from him as a way to vent and rebel.

Corporal punishment doesn't work the way those engaging in it think it does.  All it does is make home life feel like a prison.

which proves the point I've made a dozen times now. "spanking" and training that incorperates spanking is not the same thing. Spanking is just one tool in a much larger process, that for some could not be communicated otherwise. Example the OP video.

(April 21, 2016 at 1:02 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(April 21, 2016 at 12:23 pm)Drich Wrote: I might be able to find you a 'go fund me sponcer' for the next whipping if your really that interested in being here. That way my kid can see the difference between a whipping and a beating.

A) Are you trying to educate me? If so...
B) What's a "sponcer"?

a sponcer is similar to sponsor but with one caveat, a sponcer would only generally pay to fly you/gas money one way to give you an opportunity to step between a parent whipping a child. while the sponsor would feel obligated to fly you back after your beat down.

(April 21, 2016 at 1:03 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Oh and
C) I'm not into spectator bloodsports.

Oh, I'm sorry I thought you want to be apart of the whole experience.. never mind then.

(April 21, 2016 at 4:12 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 21, 2016 at 12:38 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I am really amused by Drich trying to paint us as bad because we don't beat children and find it a vile practice.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, fuckwit.

I'm confused how do you not see yourself as not being vile? Would you also withhold food or water from your child if they desperately needed it?

You seriously didn't just equate food and water with corporal punishment.

You. Sick. Fuck.