(April 21, 2016 at 10:52 am)robvalue Wrote:

(April 21, 2016 at 10:36 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: Spanking is an equally horrible idea where dog training is involved.  The bond/relationship is core to any training you want to do.  Beating a dog undermines the bond.  Of course those who interpret sniveling and groveling as love and respect will go on beating their dogs and kids.

Completely. Cowering with fear and unable to do anything but blindly obey is a very specific kind of "training", and not one that is at all concerned with the wellbeing of the recipient.

Years ago, my sister adopted a dog from a rescue centre, an adorable little Rough Collie cross she named Ellie, now long gone. That she had been mistreated we knew from the start, but not the details. One time when I was play fighting her, I drew back my arms to deploy a tickling, as I'd done many times, only this time I happened to take what's called, clumsily, a sharp intake of breath. It was quite involuntary, part of the playing, except Ellie reacted by cowering away and whimpering.

She also had a tremendous fear of the hoover, hiding in the corner every time she even saw it. It didn't take much guesswork to figure that she'd been beaten with something similar, with each lash accompanied by a sharp inward hiss by her assailant.

If the intention was to create an animal that shies away from humans for fear of what they'd do to her, then you could say the training worked.

(April 20, 2016 at 5:16 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: hey, Drich, do you advocate the type of child "education" put promoted by the Pearls?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pearl

the web page does speak to technique it's just a pastry piece designed to allow empathizers to gorge themselves or personal character flaws so as to try and discredit the man without having to address (any) merits of his work may have.

You know the kind of mindless zombie crap you guys have been doing here to me.

I don't know his work so I can not say one way or another.

(April 20, 2016 at 7:02 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 8:38 am)Drich Wrote: No actually it is all perfectly legal in most states.

It isn't legal here.

I certainly can't help it that you live in a barbaric shithole.

Well maybe come november that will all change.

I'm sorry to hear that Stimbo

Our dog, a rescue, shows clear signs of trauma too. She was less than one year old when we adopted her, but she still displays multiple symptoms of it at the age of nearly 7. It's clear she has been beaten, and she's seen people beaten too. It's so sad. She's a lot more confident now, but when we first got her, she would just roll over and submit meekly all the time.

Fucking hideous bullies make me sick.

(April 21, 2016 at 10:44 am)Stimbo Wrote: You actually whip a child?

Please tell me that's merely some sort of cultural linguistic thing, as distinct from literal. Lie to me if you have to. Otherwise the next whipping would be right in your face, if I got the chance.

I might be able to find you a 'go fund me sponcer' for the next whipping if your really that interested in being here. That way my kid can see the difference between a whipping and a beating.

(April 21, 2016 at 12:08 pm)Drich Wrote:

(April 20, 2016 at 5:16 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: hey, Drich, do you advocate the type of child "education" put promoted by the Pearls?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pearl

the web page does speak to technique it's just a pastry piece designed to allow empathizers to gorge themselves or personal character flaws so as to try and discredit the man without having to address (any) merits of his work may have.

You know the kind of mindless zombie crap you guys have been doing here to me.

I don't know his work so I can not say one way or another.

Doing to you? Yea we busted down your door, put a gun to your head and forced you to read and post here. 

The nausea you feel isn't us being wrong, but you not being used to having to look in the mirror.

Cut the "poor me"crap, you know where the door is if you don't like it.

(April 21, 2016 at 12:17 pm)robvalue Wrote: Our dog, a rescue, shows clear signs of trauma too. She was less than one year old when we adopted her, but she still displays multiple symptoms of it at the age of nearly 7. It's clear she has been beaten, and she's seen people beaten too. It's so sad. She's a lot more confident now, but when we first got her, she would just roll over and submit meekly all the time.

We once had a shelter dog that was in a lab previously. Deaf, we only learned that later, and fundamentally frightened. She bit me a few times, but I went to the ER to get stitches and a shot and carried on. We took her in to give her love, not to abuse her any further. And ultimately it paid off.

I am really amused by Drich trying to paint us as bad because we don't beat children and find it a vile practice.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, fuckwit.

How does this work from a "god" perspective, anyway?

He produces faulty children who have to be smashed around to get to work properly? What a sick and stupid design.

(April 21, 2016 at 12:38 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Whatever helps you sleep at night, fuckwit.

Scary thing is, he probably doesn't have any problems sleeping at night.