The world works exactly as it would be expected to if there was no god.

That said, the contradiction is obvious to us but not obvious to Christians. I had a discussion with someone who told me that people suffer because of free will and in the same breath said it was god's plan, everything happens for a reason. It's a "have it both ways" argument that I used to buy into and it's amazing how hard it is for Christian's to grasp the contradiction.

What it comes down to is that everyday people whoa re not theologians believe free will means evil people exist and suffering is a way of being closer to god. (Mother Theresa anyone?) They think that God plans everything for good people and even though you can't possibly comprehend why your child died it's all in God's plan and good will come. And yet if you daughter was murdered by some evil man it's his free will that did it. You can argue till your face turns blue and people will still not see the contradiction.

Isaiah 45:7 'I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.' KJV. God is not all loving; He just says He is. Neither is He perfect for he has regret (Gen 6:7) and to have regret is to make mistakes. Perfection means no mistakes. What we have to take into account is that God may not be telling the entire truth.

(March 25, 2009 at 3:53 pm)dagda Wrote: Isaiah 45:7 'I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.' KJV. God is not all loving; He just says He is. Neither is He perfect for he has regret (Gen 6:7) and to have regret is to make mistakes. Perfection means no mistakes. What we have to take into account is that God may not be telling the entire truth.

So why do Christians worship such evil or do do they just cherry-pick as usual?

Kyu

I think they just need justification for their belief. When there is a fact which seems to conflict with their faith (ie. the presence of evil), they pick and choose ideas and beliefs so they can continue believing. Their faith is so precious to them that they can't bear to face the fact that there is evil and god isn't doing anything about it. It's foolish and ignorant. The least they could do is face up to it and figure out a proper argument for why there is evil in the world.

(March 25, 2009 at 3:53 pm)dagda Wrote: . What we have to take into account is that God may not be telling the entire truth.

I think I'll stick to the notion the contradictions and lack of evidence make it more likely that there simply is no god..

(March 26, 2009 at 1:56 am)padraic Wrote:

(March 25, 2009 at 3:53 pm)dagda Wrote: . What we have to take into account is that God may not be telling the entire truth.

I think I'll stick to the notion the contradictions and lack of evidence make it more likely that there simply is no god..

If I tell you a big lie about eating your cake and then contradict myself repeatedly, you are going to question my story not my personal existence. Lack of proof is a good reason not to belive in God, contradictions by Him are not.

'So why do Christians worship such evil or do do they just cherry-pick as usual? '


Its the biggest con in human history; that God is all-loving.

(March 26, 2009 at 11:50 am)dagda Wrote: If I tell you a big lie about eating your cake and then contradict myself repeatedly, you are going to question my story not my personal existence. Lack of proof is a good reason not to belive in God, contradictions by Him are not.

I'd say it was a pretty good one actually ... if your god was trying to relay a message to future potential believers you'd thunk he'da dun it with a bit more sodding style and accuracy wouldn't ya?

(March 26, 2009 at 11:50 am)dagda Wrote: Its the biggest con in human history; that God is all-loving.

The whole God thing is a con IMO.

Kyu

That is the problem with the bible; its the word of God writen by the hand of man and we screw up alot. There have been enough translations, copies, misunderstandings and passages writen on hersay that the original message could have concivably been don't buy time shares and we would not know. Even devout belivers should take the bible with a pinch of salt.

There are no god, it's a creation of peoples imagination.