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Of course, different musical scales evolved with different peoples and cultures. And we know it's all about frequencies - which frequencies will tune together to form a "beatless" merge, which are easily perceptible to the human ear, what is sing-able, what is easy to build into a musical instrument, etc. Any string player (or even some brass and woodwind) can demonstrate a quarter-tone, but building a quarter-tone piano has proved to be a challenging task. History of the 12-tone scale
So just as we cannot claim that Yahweh (who supposedly created the universe 3000 years after these flutes were played) influenced all humankind, we also cannot attribute that to Shiva.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
(April 27, 2016 at 12:13 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: I wonder if we gave Rik all the attention and respect he'd like for being a life long naval gazer if he would just move on?
I don't think that's possible. There isn't enough adulation in the world to keep this level of woo-worshiper content.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
Of course, different musical scales evolved with different peoples and cultures. And we know it's all about frequencies - which frequencies will tune together to form a "beatless" merge, which are easily perceptible to the human ear, what is sing-able, what is easy to build into a musical instrument, etc. Any string player (or even some brass and woodwind) can demonstrate a quarter-tone, but building a quarter-tone piano has proved to be a challenging task. History of the 12-tone scale
So just as we cannot claim that Yahweh (who supposedly created the universe 3000 years after these flutes were played) influenced all humankind, we also cannot attribute that to Shiva.
Whooooo, whooooooooo, whoooooooooo.
The fact that these bones are able to produce a sound doesn't necessary means that they were
used as musical instruments before Shiva.
Here is a study about these bones chewed by hyenas.
Not just hyenas but many other carnivorous animals were very keen on sucking the nutritious bone marrow after an animal was killed.
Breaking the extremes of the bone was not enough to get the marrow out so they probably realized that by digging holes the bone marrow would come out easier.
This study seem rubbish but again we have seen monkeys breaking hard nuts with stones.
It also could well be that men created these producing sound instruments by pure chance and this is a more credible fact.
It is impossible to know considering the time gone by.
In any case it is unlikely that these primitive men understood the 7 notes.
We can produce sound even without the 7 notes by playing seashells or different things.
On the other there is a lot of history about Shiva and the 7 notes.
Of course, different musical scales evolved with different peoples and cultures. And we know it's all about frequencies - which frequencies will tune together to form a "beatless" merge, which are easily perceptible to the human ear, what is sing-able, what is easy to build into a musical instrument, etc. Any string player (or even some brass and woodwind) can demonstrate a quarter-tone, but building a quarter-tone piano has proved to be a challenging task. History of the 12-tone scale
So just as we cannot claim that Yahweh (who supposedly created the universe 3000 years after these flutes were played) influenced all humankind, we also cannot attribute that to Shiva.
Whooooo, whooooooooo, whoooooooooo.
The fact that these bones are able to produce a sound doesn't necessary means that they were
used as musical instruments before Shiva.
Here is a study about these bones chewed by hyenas.
Not just hyenas but many other carnivorous animals were very keen on sucking the nutritious bone marrow after an animal was killed.
Breaking the extremes of the bone was not enough to get the marrow out so they probably realized that by digging holes the bone marrow would come out easier.
This study seem rubbish but again we have seen monkeys breaking hard nuts with stones.
It also could well be that men created these producing sound instruments by pure chance and this is a more credible fact.
It is impossible to know considering the time gone by.
In any case it is unlikely that these primitive men understood the 7 notes.
We can produce sound even without the 7 notes by playing seashells or different things.
On the other there is a lot of history about Shiva and the 7 notes.
What a load of horse shit. This isn't history. It's just a bunch of baseless assertions. It's more religious myth. In a word, dogma. Where's your evidence that Shiva did any of this shit?
Of course, different musical scales evolved with different peoples and cultures. And we know it's all about frequencies - which frequencies will tune together to form a "beatless" merge, which are easily perceptible to the human ear, what is sing-able, what is easy to build into a musical instrument, etc. Any string player (or even some brass and woodwind) can demonstrate a quarter-tone, but building a quarter-tone piano has proved to be a challenging task. History of the 12-tone scale
So just as we cannot claim that Yahweh (who supposedly created the universe 3000 years after these flutes were played) influenced all humankind, we also cannot attribute that to Shiva.
Whooooo, whooooooooo, whoooooooooo.
The fact that these bones are able to produce a sound doesn't necessary means that they were
used as musical instruments before Shiva.
Here is a study about these bones chewed by hyenas.
Not just hyenas but many other carnivorous animals were very keen on sucking the nutritious bone marrow after an animal was killed.
Breaking the extremes of the bone was not enough to get the marrow out so they probably realized that by digging holes the bone marrow would come out easier.
This study seem rubbish but again we have seen monkeys breaking hard nuts with stones.
It also could well be that men created these producing sound instruments by pure chance and this is a more credible fact.
It is impossible to know considering the time gone by.
In any case it is unlikely that these primitive men understood the 7 notes.
We can produce sound even without the 7 notes by playing seashells or different things.
On the other there is a lot of history about Shiva and the 7 notes.
The flutes have been examined in depth. They were created by humans and the holes deliberately and precisely placed. They have been played and recorded by professional flutists. These are easily accessible facts, but we know you won't take the time to examine them. You can mock all you want, it won't change the facts.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
The fact that these bones are able to produce a sound doesn't necessary means that they were
used as musical instruments before Shiva.
Here is a study about these bones chewed by hyenas.
Not just hyenas but many other carnivorous animals were very keen on sucking the nutritious bone marrow after an animal was killed.
Breaking the extremes of the bone was not enough to get the marrow out so they probably realized that by digging holes the bone marrow would come out easier.
This study seem rubbish but again we have seen monkeys breaking hard nuts with stones.
It also could well be that men created these producing sound instruments by pure chance and this is a more credible fact.
It is impossible to know considering the time gone by.
In any case it is unlikely that these primitive men understood the 7 notes.
We can produce sound even without the 7 notes by playing seashells or different things.
On the other there is a lot of history about Shiva and the 7 notes.
What a load of horse shit. This isn't history. It's just a bunch of baseless assertions. It's more religious myth. In a word, dogma. Where's your evidence that Shiva did any of this shit?
After so many thousand years is rather difficult to provide evidence.
In this case people can only believe or not believe on the ground whether it make sense or not.
Considering that according the history Shiva also did a lot of other great things as you can see
in the link that I previously posted it make sense.
It also make sense because the whole Indian subcontinent is full of Shiva History and is unlikely that
a billion people follow someone who never existed and never did the things attributed to him.
Beside how many people claim that they invented the 7 notes, yoga, the marriage system, Ayurvedic
medicine and so many other things?
Did you or any of your friends ever claimed that?
The fact that these bones are able to produce a sound doesn't necessary means that they were
used as musical instruments before Shiva.
Here is a study about these bones chewed by hyenas.
Not just hyenas but many other carnivorous animals were very keen on sucking the nutritious bone marrow after an animal was killed.
Breaking the extremes of the bone was not enough to get the marrow out so they probably realized that by digging holes the bone marrow would come out easier.
This study seem rubbish but again we have seen monkeys breaking hard nuts with stones.
It also could well be that men created these producing sound instruments by pure chance and this is a more credible fact.
It is impossible to know considering the time gone by.
In any case it is unlikely that these primitive men understood the 7 notes.
We can produce sound even without the 7 notes by playing seashells or different things.
On the other there is a lot of history about Shiva and the 7 notes.
The flutes have been examined in depth. They were created by humans and the holes deliberately and precisely placed. They have been played and recorded by professional flutists. These are easily accessible facts, but we know you won't take the time to examine them. You can mock all you want, it won't change the facts.
As I said in my previous post everything is possible.
I never completely discounted the fact that long before Shiva someone created an instrument
capable of producing sound.
What i believe is that Shiva is the first one to create music in a scientific way with the 7 notes.
By chances primitive people may have discovered that by blowing in an empty pipe a sound was coming out and by making some holes the sound was even better but from here to discovered the 7 notes there is a long long distance.
In my previous link it correctly say............ Suppose
people are making dissonant sounds in a particular rhythm – that certainly
will not be considered music............
I got a seashell that by blowing make a sound.
Shell i be called a musician?
Get real fuzz.
Hello. I have some difficulty at seeing how the size of our known universe makes God impossible to exist, and I currently do not have time to search through the 26 pages to see if someone explained it, so, please, can someone explain that to me? Thank you.
"Let us commit ourselves and one another and our whole life to Christ, our God"
- Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom
(April 29, 2016 at 6:09 am)Wryetui Wrote: Hello. I have some difficulty at seeing how the size of our known universe makes God impossible to exist, and I currently do not have time to search through the 26 pages to see if someone explained it, so, please, can someone explain that to me? Thank you.
The bible itself describes yhwh as an impossible being, giving him the attributes of omnipotence and omniscience which are mutually exclusive, and also attributes free will to humanity which is contradictory to the other two as well.
But in this thread we've an argument by atheists stating that as there is no evidence for god and also no evidence to show god is necessary that god is needed to create the universe there is no rational need to believe unless new evidence comes to light, and on the other hand we've got Little Rik whose argument is "herpa, derpa, derp". So where you're getting assumption from is unclear to me.
(April 29, 2016 at 6:09 am)Wryetui Wrote: Hello. I have some difficulty at seeing how the size of our known universe makes God impossible to exist, and I currently do not have time to search through the 26 pages to see if someone explained it, so, please, can someone explain that to me? Thank you.
The bible itself describes yhwh as an impossible being, giving him the attributes of omnipotence and omniscience which are mutually exclusive, and also attributes free will to humanity which is contradictory to the other two as well.
But in this thread we've an argument by atheists stating that as there is no evidence for god and also no evidence to show god is necessary that god is needed to create the universe there is no rational need to believe unless new evidence comes to light, and on the other hand we've got Little Rik whose argument is "herpa, derpa, derp". So where you're getting assumption from is unclear to me.
In this thread it is stated that the OP does not believe God exists because the universe is too big, so, how exactly that is? Why the size of the universe prove that God does not exist? You did not answer me in your message. In fact, you did not even adress my question in your message, you only made statements which I do not know where did you get them from. I am interested, though, in answering them, so you can start another thread, since answering to them in this thread would mean going offtopic.
"Let us commit ourselves and one another and our whole life to Christ, our God"
- Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom
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