Or, since it's a discussion that you want to have, you can start one if you like.

(April 29, 2016 at 4:20 am)Little Rik Wrote: It also make sense because the whole Indian subcontinent is full of Shiva History and is unlikely that
a billion people follow someone who never existed and never did the things attributed to him.

People claim the same thing about Jesus, therefore Jesus is God.  You can't both be correct.  The existence of a myth about someone, believed by millions of people, is no evidence that the myth is a true story.  The Indian subcontinent is filled with all sorts of magical stories.  You don't believe all of them.  Why believe these particular stories?  You've given no good reason to believe them.  You'll accept the popularity and ubiquity of stories as evidence for Shiva's acts, but you don't accept the existence of physical flutes as evidence that ancient Chinese had music.  That's a double standard and an irrational stance. You believe the myths about Shiva because it is part of the legendary basis of Yoga. You believe the myths because you believe in Yoga. That's dogmatic belief.

Little Rik Wrote:Whooooo, whooooooooo, whoooooooooo.

The fact that these bones are able to produce a sound doesn't necessary means that they were
used as musical instruments before Shiva.
Here is a study about these bones chewed by hyenas.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-hist...nas-002874

Not just hyenas but many other carnivorous animals were very keen on sucking the nutritious bone marrow after an animal was killed.
Breaking the extremes of the bone was not enough to get the marrow out so they probably realized that by digging holes the bone marrow would come out easier.
This study seem rubbish but again we have seen monkeys breaking hard nuts with stones.
It also could well be that men created these producing sound instruments by pure chance and this is a more credible fact.
It is impossible to know considering the time gone by.
In any case it is unlikely that these primitive men understood the 7 notes.
We can produce sound even without the 7 notes by playing seashells or different things.

On the other there is a lot of history about Shiva and the 7 notes.   


http://anandamarga.pt/pipermail/babakija...00030.html

Use reliable sources ffs.

(April 29, 2016 at 6:09 am)Wryetui Wrote: Hello. I have some difficulty at seeing how the size of our known universe makes God impossible to exist, and I currently do not have time to search through the 26 pages to see if someone explained it, so, please, can someone explain that to me? Thank you.

(April 29, 2016 at 11:15 am)drfuzzy Wrote:

(April 29, 2016 at 6:09 am)Wryetui Wrote: Hello. I have some difficulty at seeing how the size of our known universe makes God impossible to exist, and I currently do not have time to search through the 26 pages to see if someone explained it, so, please, can someone explain that to me? Thank you.

If you are done with the laughing, I will repeat my question for the third time. How is the size of the universe proof for God's existence or not?

Following your logic (?) the Creator of a universe He created ex-nihilo cannot exist because the universe is too big? I am sorry but this is pretty poor. If the other reasonings that led you to atheism are like this one, I am not surprised you are an atheist.

(April 29, 2016 at 5:48 pm)Wryetui Wrote: If you are done with the laughing, I will repeat my question for the third time. How is the size of the universe proof for God's existence or not?

If a Christian says, "Just look at the universe and you can see that it was all made just for us.  What further proof of Jehovah's existence could you need?" then we get to point out that the universe does not look like it was made for us. 

Does a speck of mold in my refrigerator may believe that the refrigerator was made just for it?  If so, that proves more about the mold's mindset than it does about the refrigerator. 

When humans believe in gods because the universe looks like it was designed for us, those humans aren't being logical.  Rather, they are indulging in a fantasy characteristic of egotistical refrigerator mold. 

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In answer to your question:  No, this isn't a proof that god does not exist.  Rather, it is a rebuttal to one of the "proofs" that god does exist.

As a proof that gods don't exist, it would be lame.

As a rebuttal, it is a slam dunk.

(April 29, 2016 at 6:05 pm)wiploc Wrote:

(April 29, 2016 at 5:48 pm)Wryetui Wrote: If you are done with the laughing, I will repeat my question for the third time. How is the size of the universe proof for God's existence or not?

If a Christian says, "Just look at the universe and you can see that it was all made just for us.  What further proof of Jehovah's existence could you need?" then we get to point out that the universe does not look like it was made for us. 

Does a speck of mold in my refrigerator may believe that the refrigerator was made just for it?  If so, that proves more about the mold's mindset than it does about the refrigerator. 

When humans believe in gods because the universe looks like it was designed for us, those humans aren't being logical.  Rather, they are indulging in a fantasy characteristic of egotistical refrigerator mold. 

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In answer to your question:  No, this isn't a proof that god does not exist.  Rather, it is a rebuttal to one of the "proofs" that god does exist.

As a proof that gods don't exist, it would be lame.

As a rebuttal, it is a slam dunk.

I do not know of "Just look at the universe and you can see that it was all made just for us" or whatever else other people can say. But the OP stated a clear statement for which I did not receive any answer: How does the size of the universe tell us God does not exist? What is the relation between the universe being too big and God "not existing"? No matter how big the universe can be, God still does not dwell in it, since He is outside creation and He is transcendent in His ousia (essence).

"When humans believe in gods because the universe looks like it was designed for us, those humans aren't being logical.", I would have to know how exactly those people believe the universe look like it is designed for us and after that declare them logical or not, I am not a follower of blank statements.

(April 29, 2016 at 6:17 pm)Wryetui Wrote: How does the size of the universe tell us God does not exist?

The size of the universe doesn't say one way or the other whether or not any gods exist, it does however beg the question: if humans are the focus of your creation, why design a universe in which humans are so situated as to appear to be utterly insignificant?

(April 29, 2016 at 6:30 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:

(April 29, 2016 at 6:17 pm)Wryetui Wrote: How does the size of the universe tell us God does not exist?

The size of the universe doesn't say one way or the other whether or not any gods exist, it does however beg the question: if humans are the focus of your creation, why design a universe in which humans are so situated as to appear to be utterly insignificant?

Now someone who actually answered! Thank you.

However, the size of the universe has nothing to do with the existence of God. And that is what the OP stated, that, as the universe is as big, it cannot the possible (somehow) that God exists. I have seen in this something incorrect and unrelated.

We could talk about how small humans are in relation to the universe and other things like that, but that would be just speculation since nowhere in the Sacred Scripture or the Sacred Tradition it is stated why the Creation is so vast (perhaps because such an information would be quite useless to the people living before Christ, for example), but however big or small is the universe, it has nothing to do with God's existence.

(April 29, 2016 at 6:44 pm)Wryetui Wrote:

(April 29, 2016 at 6:30 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: The size of the universe doesn't say one way or the other whether or not any gods exist, it does however beg the question: if humans are the focus of your creation, why design a universe in which humans are so situated as to appear to be utterly insignificant?

Now someone who actually answered! Thank you.

However, the size of the universe has nothing to do with the existence of God. And that is what the OP stated, that, as the universe is as big, it cannot the possible (somehow) that God exists. I have seen in this something incorrect and unrelated.

We could talk about how small humans are in relation to the universe and other things like that, but that would be just speculation since nowhere in the Sacred Scripture or the Sacred Tradition it is stated why the Creation is so vast (perhaps because such an information would be quite useless to the people living before Christ, for example), but however big or small is the universe, it has nothing to do with God's existence.

As I just said, the size of the universe can't prove the existence of gods one way or the other. HOWEVER, the vastness of the cosmos and humanity's seeming irrelevance within it does bring into question the idea that a god that has personal interest in human affairs exists.