(May 6, 2016 at 1:09 pm)TheRealJoeFish Wrote:

(May 6, 2016 at 1:06 pm)dyresand Wrote: If it comes down to hillary and trump fuck it i'm not voting for shit head 1 or shit head 2.
Fuck it.

From Pharyngula, PZ Myers's blog, today

^^^ As Niels Bohr was fond of saying, roughly, I think we agree more than we think.

(May 6, 2016 at 12:47 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: You still have not shown how two females on a ticket is any different than one female. You do realize we're talking liberals and moderates here, right? Why would an all female ticket be any more threatening than a female President? Those people who wouldn't vote for an all female ticket wouldn't vote for a female President in the first place. Those people are all squarely in the Trump camp. Point one and two are moot. The VP doesn't travel and do diplomacy, and Hillary was already Secretary of State, the nation's top diplomat, so that puts to rest point three.

The only downside with the liberal demographic and an all female ticket with the top candidates for Hillary's running mate is the lack of diversity. That's why Cory Booker would be perfect.

              I do realize that were talking liberals and moderates, I know none of us not have a problem with a all female ticket. Your right about Cory Booker, he would add a good balance to the ticket. You also have account for the dems who don't like or trust Hillary; I know that I don't want see her in office, if it comes to Hillary and Trump a lot of people will be staying home. If we had a stronger third party option I'd be voting that way. That point aside, she needs more appeal to the national level. I'd would of loved to have seen a Sanders and Warren ticket, that would of been the perfect ticket. Clinton and Booker would be a good choice, on the other hand though if all we can muster is Hillary were in trouble as a country. Our best hope lye's in Sanders ability to kick it up and win the nomination. If he does not make it I'm staying home in November.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxsQ7jJJcEA

(May 6, 2016 at 8:50 am)Losty Wrote: This is why Sanders will never work as a VP to Hillary. I can't see him being willing to run with her anyways. He seems to be genuinely against her kind of politics.

I think Bernie is more shrewd than that. Also, his job for the last 8 months has been to tear down her politics. This is the nature of our election system, we need to make out opponents look like evil monsters from the deep. Now, Hillary has done that herself, and she has helped Bernie at every turn by being a snake and a liar. I don't trust a thing she says. I do think she is the most liberal candidate left in the race, (Bernie left in the race only serves to pull her to the left farther in order to wrap it up), and I do think if the choices are literally Hillary or Trump, to me the choice is easy.

(May 6, 2016 at 8:57 am)Losty Wrote: Franklin's ghost murders a kitten every time someone refers to a Hillary fan as a liberal.

'Liberal demographic' =/= Hillary fan. My existence is proof by counterexample.

(May 6, 2016 at 6:38 pm)Sterben Wrote:               I do realize that were talking liberals and moderates, I know none of us not have a problem with a all female ticket. Your right about Cory Booker, he would add a good balance to the ticket. You also have account for the dems who don't like or trust Hillary; I know that I don't want see her in office, if it comes to Hillary and Trump a lot of people will be staying home. If we had a stronger third party option I'd be voting that way. That point aside, she needs more appeal to the national level. I'd would of loved to have seen a Sanders and Warren ticket, that would of been the perfect ticket. Clinton and Booker would be a good choice, on the other hand though if all we can muster is Hillary were in trouble as a country. Our best hope lye's in Sanders ability to kick it up and win the nomination. If he does not make it I'm staying home in November.

So, wait, are you done arguing that the country isn't ready for an all female ticket?

Look, I don't like or trust Hillary. Do I trust that she legitimately has the middle/lower class interests in mind? No. Do I think she'll do anything to close the wage gap or reign in Wall St? No. Do I think she'll do a damn thing to push Congress to repeal Citizen's United with a Constitutional Amendment? No Clue. Do I think she won't roll back all of the social change we've accomplished in the last 10 years? Yes. Do I think 2-3 liberal/moderate Supreme Court Justices is the most important thing we're facing in this election? Absofucking-lutely. Will I vote for Hillary with my nose pinched to make sure Donald Fucking Trump doesn't become the most powerful person on the planet? Absofucking-lutely.

If you stay home, you don't get to complain. You left your voice in the garage. Those of us that live in the real world will make the realistic choice and vote to keep the Billionaire racist megalomaniac out of the most powerful office on Earth.

The phrase 'bucket of warm piss' fairly leaps to mind.

Boru

(May 6, 2016 at 7:01 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(May 6, 2016 at 8:50 am)Losty Wrote: This is why Sanders will never work as a VP to Hillary. I can't see him being willing to run with her anyways. He seems to be genuinely against her kind of politics.

I think Bernie is more shrewd than that. Also, his job for the last 8 months has been to tear down her politics. This is the nature of our election system, we need to make out opponents look like evil monsters from the deep. Now, Hillary has done that herself, and she has helped Bernie at every turn by being a snake and a liar. I don't trust a thing she says. I do think she is the most liberal candidate left in the race, (Bernie left in the race only serves to pull her to the left farther in order to wrap it up), and I do think if the choices are literally Hillary or Trump, to me the choice is easy.

(May 6, 2016 at 8:57 am)Losty Wrote: Franklin's ghost murders a kitten every time someone refers to a Hillary fan as a liberal.

'Liberal demographic' =/= Hillary fan. My existence is proof by counterexample.

(May 6, 2016 at 6:38 pm)Sterben Wrote:               I do realize that were talking liberals and moderates, I know none of us not have a problem with a all female ticket. Your right about Cory Booker, he would add a good balance to the ticket. You also have account for the dems who don't like or trust Hillary; I know that I don't want see her in office, if it comes to Hillary and Trump a lot of people will be staying home. If we had a stronger third party option I'd be voting that way. That point aside, she needs more appeal to the national level. I'd would of loved to have seen a Sanders and Warren ticket, that would of been the perfect ticket. Clinton and Booker would be a good choice, on the other hand though if all we can muster is Hillary were in trouble as a country. Our best hope lye's in Sanders ability to kick it up and win the nomination. If he does not make it I'm staying home in November.

So, wait, are you done arguing that the country isn't ready for an all female ticket?

Look, I don't like or trust Hillary. Do I trust that she legitimately has the middle/lower class interests in mind? No. Do I think she'll do anything to close the wage gap or reign in Wall St? No. Do I think she'll do a damn thing to push Congress to repeal Citizen's United with a Constitutional Amendment? No Clue. Do I think she won't roll back all of the social change we've accomplished in the last 10 years? Yes. Do I think 2-3 liberal/moderate Supreme Court Justices is the most important thing we're facing in this election? Absofucking-lutely. Will I vote for Hillary with my nose pinched to make sure Donald Fucking Trump doesn't become the most powerful person on the planet? Absofucking-lutely.

If you stay home, you don't get to complain. You left your voice in the garage. Those of us that live in the real world will make the realistic choice and vote to keep the Billionaire racist megalomaniac out of the most powerful office on Earth.

         I'm not arguing about a all female ticket, I was stating that the masses aren't ready yet. It would be a unwise for her to push a all female ticket, that tactic would only hurt her.  I agree with you on one thing though, she does not have the middle and lower classes in mind at all. If I stay home in November my vote is not thrown away and I get to bitch,wine, and moan all I like. If your vote caused the damage you lost the option too bitch and moan, if you did not vote or have anything to do with the choice, then you can blame the other person for their vote. Under the grounds of your choice has caused me problems, so you are to blame not I.

(May 6, 2016 at 7:22 pm)Sterben Wrote:          I'm not arguing about a all female ticket, I was stating that the masses aren't ready yet. It would be a unwise for her to push a all female ticket, that tactic would only hurt her.  I agree with you on one thing though, she does not have the middle and lower classes in mind at all. If I stay home in November my vote is not thrown away and I get to bitch wine and moan all I like. If your vote caused the damage you can't not bitch and moan, if you did not vote or have anything to do with the choice, then you can blame the other person for their vote. Under the grounds of your choice has caused me problems, so you are to blame not I.

That logic is as tortured as the waterboarding Drumpf wants to make legal.

Go out and vote third party, then. If you pouted like a toddler and stayed home, your opinion on the outcome is less than worthless.

Well, I'm not voting for anyone at all for US president, and I reserve the right to bitch unendingly about any actions of the American government I find anathema. So there.

Boru

Fuck! The kiwi loophole again!

I'm not pouting at all, I'm choosing a option to be a to avoid having to chose between two choices that are complete shit. If your watching a bad play, it's best to walk out in silence then too boo. The silence of the American masses would send a message greater then any protest.