(May 10, 2016 at 2:23 pm)Aroura Wrote: I had a whole long post written detailing all the interesting stuff from last episode, and then we had a browser out and i lost it all! Boo.

I'll just rewrite the part about how interesting I found the contrast of Jon regaining his life, identity, and freedom while Arya voluntarily gave hers up, finally. Will this lead to some later confrontation where Arya is supposed to kill one of the people from her past life, like Jon? It must be Jon, she has a special connection with him, emphasized even in this episode when she said she had 4 brothers. She views him as a full brother, and the one she loved best.

And then Tyrion trying so hard to make conversation, lol. Varys getting the info was a bit meh, but that was contrasted as well with the outcast master taking over his little birds from Kings Landing.

What the heck do Cersei and Jaime plan on doing to cast out the sparrows and the current small council? Just follow them around with the zombie mountain until they are so creepedal out they leave for good? That's not enough, there must be more going on there.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the show's plot with Jamie and Cersei. It fits Cersei fine, but Jamie feels like an idiot lap dog. I'm not a fan.

(May 10, 2016 at 3:04 pm)Aegon Wrote: Yeah I'm not a fan of the show's plot with Jamie and Cersei. It fits Cersei fine, but Jamie feels like an idiot lap dog. I'm not a fan.

Really? I thought that kind of fit. Cersei seems to be the more assertive one between the two of them and he kowtows to her.

(May 10, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(May 10, 2016 at 3:04 pm)Aegon Wrote: Yeah I'm not a fan of the show's plot with Jamie and Cersei. It fits Cersei fine, but Jamie feels like an idiot lap dog. I'm not a fan.

Really?  I thought that kind of fit.  Cersei seems to be the more assertive one between the two of them and he kowtows to her.

If this were the first season, sure. But I feel like Jamie's character, who said to Brienne that he hates how he's slaved to Cersei, hasn't progressed.

(May 10, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(May 10, 2016 at 3:04 pm)Aegon Wrote: Yeah I'm not a fan of the show's plot with Jamie and Cersei. It fits Cersei fine, but Jamie feels like an idiot lap dog. I'm not a fan.

Really?  I thought that kind of fit.  Cersei seems to be the more assertive one between the two of them and he kowtows to her.

Jaime is just pussy whipped.  Hate to see a brother go that way.

I think he's regressed, and that's sort of the point.

The Lannisters are all bark and no bite when it comes down to it. Cersei can't think two steps ahead. Jaime is a kitten that does the people in power's bidding, whether it be Cersei or Tywin, or even Tyrion. Even when he seems to make his own decision, (setting Tyrion free) it seems to have been planned and executed by Varys.

I think we are seeing the implosion of the Lannisters.

(May 10, 2016 at 1:26 pm)Aegon Wrote:

It's Jon Snow, duh.

(May 10, 2016 at 9:39 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(May 10, 2016 at 1:26 pm)Aegon Wrote:

It's Jon Snow, duh.

Jon Stargaryen*

(May 10, 2016 at 2:58 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(May 10, 2016 at 1:40 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Is it the Umbers who in the books seem to be on the Boltons side but kill Bolton men from within winterfell?

That's House Manderly, who all book readers adore. Half the Umbers seem to be on the Boltons' side, while the other half is for Stannis (since Stannis is alive still in the books.) It is implied that Wyman Manderly had two Frey boys killed and baked into pies which he fed to Freys and Boltons. So yeah, I'm hoping Manderly is in the show soon. They've been mentioned a few times

The show often combines chracters, and I suspect at this point that the Greatjohn will likely represent both sides of the story for TV.  

As much as I would like to see more of the beloved book characters come to life, I know from experience with my own non-book-reading family that many show watchers have a difficult enough time keeping track of the secondary characters, houses, and their alignments.

For instance, as pissed as I was initially that we have not seen Lady Stoneheart, I can see why the show has deleted  her (at least so far). It would have held back Brienne's story, which would have held back Stannis, Jon and even Sansa's story.  Perhaps later she will be needed, but they just cannot clutter up the show with new characters when existing ones will do well enough for the plot to advance.

Fucking LOOOOOOVED Oathbreaker - especially the fight near the beginning. A superb display of badassititude.

(May 10, 2016 at 6:45 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(May 10, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: Really?  I thought that kind of fit.  Cersei seems to be the more assertive one between the two of them and he kowtows to her.

If this were the first season, sure. But I feel like Jamie's character, who said to Brienne that he hates how he's slaved to Cersei, hasn't progressed.

Oh, I see what you mean then.