(April 12, 2011 at 9:01 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote:

(April 12, 2011 at 7:36 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Believing in a god is not the same as carrying a deadly weapon around with you. If the police force is deterring crime well and to the point where confrontation is unlikely, I see no reason to carry any weapon around with you. Some freedoms should not be, for the betterment of society.
I understand and respect your opinion.

Last I checked your Police force wasnt doing as great as you try to put it off. Last I checked you brits have QUITE the bit of murders still going on. You see, I dont care what you think about what kind of weapon I should be carrying around. How about you worry about your own rights and I will worry about mine. I would be willing to fight for your human right to arm yourself, but you would probably take mine away. See the difference?

Let me teach you something about Americans. This is just an example, dont take it personl okay?: When you say things like "Some freedoms should not be, for the betterment of society." When it comes to protecting yourself, you will make enemies quick with Americans. Those are fighting words over here. Saying that you respect my opinion right after you say you have no problem taking my right to protect myself away is not considered respect over here. It is considered a slap in the face after an insult. You would get sneers, and many people who you considered to be friendly to you would turn around and walk away from you never saying another word to you again.

Im not saying I want to fight you or anything. Im just saying that THAT is what many Americans would say and do to you, and probably not as nice as I did. We do have some MAJOR differences between our societies. We consider owning weapons the second highest human right next to Freedoms of conscience (beliefs, personal opinions, speech), which is the number one law of the land and the most important human right. Some of us Americans think owning weapons to defend yourself is the greatest human right that WILL NOT be taken away..."From my cold, dead hands" is what they say. "Guns, god, and Government" is what they say. I have to live with these people. Many of them are nice folk.

Big difference huh?

(April 12, 2011 at 7:36 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Never needed a weapon yet, don't think I ever will. Over here, you can defend yourself, even with canes, just not deadly weapons, you can be trained to disarm attackers. I believe it's called reasonable force. Some freedoms can do more harm than good.

Well, sorry to hear that you hate freedom so much. Seems like every third sentence you type you are disrespecting freedom. So apparently, to you, people cant use "reasonable force" with a gun. I personally never needed a weapon yet either. America is very peaceful in my opinion. Lets hope I will not need a weapon for the rest of my life. Of course, I mean it differently than you say it.

(April 12, 2011 at 7:36 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: No crime...or virtually none. Yet you'd still carry a deadly weapon around with you? Why?

Because here in America we still respect the basic human right for people to protect themselves. Of course, that is probably going in one ear and out of the other for you. Do you think we pull our guns and knives out for every fight? Think we are gun slinging cowboys still? In America, you dont tell people why, or how many weapons you carry with you. So it is considered rude to ask SERIOUSLY if you are packing heat unless you get into a situation that demands it.

(April 12, 2011 at 7:36 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I appreciate yours too. I would never dictate the freedom of others from other lands, friend.
You have your opinions and laws, I have mine.

So all of those times where you said you didnt think I should have the right to have weapons (I see no reason to carry any weapon around with you) you were saying it for YOUR country, and not for me? the friendship thing is not an issue. I dont hate you. I think you are a bit OFF on your human rights, but that is fixable.

(April 12, 2011 at 7:36 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Think you'll find that most Brits are happy without the freedom to carry deadly weapons around with them. No need for them. I like to think that we are above that.

So people who arm them selves are lower than the Brits? Lets see. We Americans kicked you out of our country..what? Twice? Then we had to go Across the Atlantic to save you from your Fellow Europeans..what? Twice? Then we helped create NATO, The UN, which ultimately led to the EU. Many Americans died so that you could be living under your British flag, and not a Nazi one. Both of my Grandfathers fought for your freedom.

(April 12, 2011 at 7:36 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: Not from my point of view, or the view of any other Brit I chance to say.

Just as long as it stays out of America.

Ace Wrote:You should spend at least a week over here. You'll really notice the social difference.

Quote:Thank goodness I'm in Britain.

Quote:All that for simply disagreeing with carrying weapons? Wow! What happened to freedom of speech?

Quote:So I'm a freedom hater now? All for simply disagreeing with carrying weapons? So now I'm against freedom itself now? Funny, I support freedom in many areas like you, just not when it comes to weapons.

Quote:I disagree. I'm against carrying weapons, not sure how I'm "disrespecting freedom"?

Quote:Well it is frowned on over here. You Americans sure can take things personally can't you.

Quote:Well if you think I'm a bit off for disagreeing with carrying weapons then, I guess so are my entire family, all my friends and a huge majority living over here.

Quote:And you keep your weapons out of Britain.

Quote:No they can't. If you were caught with a pocket knife on you around here, you'd be fined and may even end up in a cell. Of course knives are allowed depending where you are and of it's purpose like fishing.

Quote:Carrying weapons is strongly frowned apone. We may speak the same language but boy our cultures and social ways are so very different.
No one here carries a weapon, not unless you want to find yourself behind bars.