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There is no "I" in "You"
RE: There is no "I" in "You"
(May 20, 2016 at 3:25 pm)Rhythm Wrote: That, would be an ad hom.  See how easy this is if you just try?

lol...no, "numbskull" would be an ad hom.

Again, I'm asking atheists' to rationally defend their position.
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
Numbskull is an insult....jesus christ you're thick.

What position?  That we don't believe in god?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
(May 20, 2016 at 3:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No, numbskull is an insult....jesus christ you're thick.

I didn't say it wasn't a pathetic attempt at it. Big Grin

Quote:What position?  That we don't believe in god?

The non(anti)-metaphysical one.
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
The "atheist position", is that we don't believe in gods.  What you just described, was the position you desire to foist -upon- atheism.  Which is strawmanning.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
(May 20, 2016 at 3:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The "atheist position", is that we don't believe in gods.  What you just described, was the position you desire to foist -upon- atheism.  Which is strawmanning.

Now I'm strawmanning?  Dodgy Any other appeals from your atheist book o' fallacies?

Do you or do you not believe in the metaphysical?  Witty repartee need not apply...a simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
(May 20, 2016 at 3:39 pm)quip Wrote:
(May 20, 2016 at 3:35 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The "atheist position", is that we don't believe in gods.  What you just described, was the position you desire to foist -upon- atheism.  Which is strawmanning.

Now I'm strawmanning?  Dodgy 
......yeah.

Quote:Any other appeals from your atheist book o' fallacies?
Logic is logic, there's no such thing as atheist logic.  If you don't know the rules, then learn them.  We know you have the internet.

Quote:Do you or do you not believe in the metaphysical?  Witty repartee need not apply...a simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
Metaphysics exists, it's a branch of philosophy, belief is hardly relevant.  Now you are attempting to poison the well (by reference to wit in the negative..hilariously), in addition to presenting an ambiguously framed false dichotomy.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
Mere semantic sophistry.

You refuse to answer..for obvious enough reasons.

Moving on. I await other's answers.

G'day.
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
(May 20, 2016 at 3:53 pm)quip Wrote: Mere semantic sophistry.
-and we poison the well.

Quote:You refuse to answer..for obvious enough reasons.
-and we return to our assertion that others are refusing to answer you...ad naus. In this case, it's a particularly odious one, since it's a bold faced lie.

Quote:Moving on. I await other's answers.

G'day.
What will you do with other's answers...how do you think the situation will be improved if you are incapable of holding a rational conversation in the first place?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
This dude can't be a Buddhist. I've known a few of them, and they're never this bad. Or this douchey.

I've desperately wanted to stay out of this bullshit conversation, but I'll answer you.

From Merriam-Webster's online dictionary:

Full Definition of metaphysics

a (1) : a division of philosophy that is concerned with the fundamental nature of reality and being and that includes ontology, cosmology, and often epistemology
(2) : ontology 2

b : abstract philosophical studies : a study of what is outside objective experience

If you mean the first definition, then yes I suppose that's a real philosophy. If you mean the second one (which you obviously do), then no, metaphysics isn't real. There's zero testable evidence that can support it, other than some thoroughly-debunked bullshit that will nevertheless be asserted endlessly by the gullible. That's why it says "outside objective experience".

If you come to an atheist site peddling woo-woo, you're going to get insulted and your ideas derided. The reasons should be obvious, since you can't bring any objective evidence to the table, and instead (as we see almost daily, here) resort to emotional pleas and manipulation in an attempt to imply that it's us, not you, who are swallowing subjective bullshit whole.

For instance, meditation, which was long considered a magical act because of the benefits it brought to those who practiced it. Well, the benefits of meditation are indeed real, and they are explained by discoveries in neuroscience, not by magic. (Oh, I'm sorry I meant to use the synonym "metaphysics".) Dodgy

And by the way, if you're a Buddhist, you're an atheist, since Siddhartha Gautama was apparently pretty clear he was not a god, and did not wish to be venerated as one, except to serve as an example of giving up selfish desires, which he felt were the source of all pain in the world. So you have no god(s), and are an atheist. Welcome to the club.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost

I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.

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RE: There is no "I" in "You"
(May 20, 2016 at 5:32 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: This dude can't be a Buddhist. I've known a few of them, and they're never this bad. Or this douchey.
Oh, IDK...they've been known to mutilate their serfs to mark them as property, or properly put them in their place.  On the balance of buddhism as a whole..quip seems downright pleasant. I don't know what he does when he's not here, but I'm willing to guess it's not that.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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