Slavery was a fact of life in those times. We find it abhorrent, just as they would find some of the things we accept as normal abhorrent. It's cultural. But then we're talking people of a culture and not God. (Where are babies bashed on rocks? I don't see that in the text you posted)
Jewish history shows them misinterpreting Gods will, according to Jesus, who interpreted it correctly. This isn't God acting. The people simply identify aspects of their lives in relation to God. God's influence is seen later as compelling the people to act fairly as he does with them.

Rational =/= altering facts

The OT was written by the Jews who at the same time describe God as just and loving. That should give you a clue about the stories content. They didn't think all that despite the observations they related, but because of them.

(April 16, 2011 at 11:21 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (Where are babies bashed on rocks? I don't see that in the text you posted)

guess you need to open your eyes then, because i posted a verse which says it.

as for whatever else you said, congrats.

Ah - you edited your post after my reply. I see the level of honesty we're operating at here. Ah well... doesn't look too good for the 'rational atheist' does it?

did i really? umm no i dont think i edited it, rather i just posted different verses as i came across them.

not my fault if you couldnt keep up

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either way it still doesnt assert any of my points

Thanks for the apology, you're welcome

(April 16, 2011 at 11:47 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Thanks for the apology, you're welcome

don't remember apologising. don't really see why i should.
i've put forward numerous verses which highlight several questionable morals within the book which you have said is true. yet you yourself haven't given me any explanation for the disgusting morals displayed in said book except from 'it was acceptable at the time'. i dont care what the fucking time was slavery, child abuse and genocide are not, and never will be acceptable.

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it's also ironic how a christian wants ME to apoligise hahahaha

fr0d0! Stop playing with him :p

(April 16, 2011 at 12:08 pm)oggtheclever Wrote: fr0d0! Stop playing with him :p

how is he playing with me? is there some insider joke which is only privy to highly esteemed forum members such as yourself?

i was under the impression he was dodging some very fine points which were made regarding his religion. ones which he still hasn't answered to

(April 16, 2011 at 12:11 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote:

(April 16, 2011 at 12:08 pm)oggtheclever Wrote: fr0d0! Stop playing with him :p

how is he playing with me? is there some insider joke which is only privy to highly esteemed forum members such as yourself?

Whilst his definition of faith/belief and mine differ, he is at least quite correct under his definition, and with minor altering correct under mine.

As for insider jokes...

Quote:i was under the impression he was dodging some very fine points which were made regarding his religion. ones which he still hasn't answered to

Non-inclusion of a point is no more dodging than if I don't mention every type of fruit and explosive in this sentence.

A dodge is to avoid a thing by a sudden quick movement... he hasn't done that to you yet dear

(April 16, 2011 at 12:11 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: how is he playing with me? is there some insider joke which is only privy to highly esteemed forum members such as yourself?

Its not an inside joke, Fr0d0, takes forever to be understood, once you try to, you'll realize that is pointless

Quote:(...)ones which he still hasn't answered to

Just wait seated, to not get too much tired

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Fr0ds ol'chap, your avatar sucks, I liked the old one better, change it or feel my wrath!