(June 8, 2016 at 10:44 am)ChadWooters Wrote:

(June 8, 2016 at 10:41 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: For me, any maligning of a whole cultural group because of the real or perceiced attributes of a single member or sub-set of that group is racism. And what Wooters did was malign the whole of the Irish cultural group because of an attribute he imagines I have.

I have yet to hear NPR listeners demand Garrison Keiller stop telling jokes about Norwegians in Lake Woebegon. They must all be racists. :-)  

And my reply was to Jor, not you.

And to clarify, my ex-partner was Southern Irish and both my intelligent daughters have Irish passports ...

I wouldn't call what you said "you must be Irish" as racist, but it was certainly discrimination based on nationality, which may not sound as punchy but which is as equally repugnant.

Rather than you calling Jörmungandr stupid you said "you must be Irish" an old steryotype of the Irish as being stupid .... 

Again your arrogance to one side, because you can name other bigots that is no defense

(June 8, 2016 at 11:26 am)madog Wrote:

(June 8, 2016 at 10:44 am)ChadWooters Wrote: I have yet to hear NPR listeners demand Garrison Keiller stop telling jokes about Norwegians in Lake Woebegon. They must all be racists. :-)  

And my reply was to Jor, not you.

And to clarify, my ex-partner was Southern Irish and both my intelligent daughters have Irish passports ...

I wouldn't call what you said "you must be Irish" as racist, but it was certainly discrimination based on nationality, which may not sound as punchy but which is as equally repugnant.

Rather than you calling Jörmungandr stupid you said "you must be Irish" an old steryotype of the Irish as being stupid .... 

Again your arrogance to one side, because you can name other bigots that is no defense

So is Garrison Keiller a bigot? Yes or no? Do you find the Prairie Home Companian repugnant? Or do you reserve your contempt just for people with whom you disagree?

And I was accusing Jor of being cagey (which is a form of cleverness), not stupid.

(June 8, 2016 at 11:31 am)ChadWooters Wrote:

(June 8, 2016 at 11:26 am)madog Wrote: And to clarify, my ex-partner was Southern Irish and both my intelligent daughters have Irish passports ...

I wouldn't call what you said "you must be Irish" as racist, but it was certainly discrimination based on nationality, which may not sound as punchy but which is as equally repugnant.

Rather than you calling Jörmungandr stupid you said "you must be Irish" an old steryotype of the Irish as being stupid .... 

Again your arrogance to one side, because you can name other bigots that is no defense

So is Garrison Keiller a bigot?  I have no idea who that is, but if she/he used the term Irish as an insult to say someone was stupid yes ... Some lazy people use nationality to emphasize the stupidity in a group for emphasis .... you have gone one step further and used the citizens of a nation to describe someone as stupid .... and I can assure you my daughters are not stupid you ignorant bastard ... and look I don't need to insult a whole nation to insult you  

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(June 8, 2016 at 11:31 am)ChadWooters Wrote: So is Garrison Keiller a bigot?  

Let me clear something up here, I say things in the heat of an argument that are just plain wrong, but when that is pointed out I apologize .... That is my morals without the need for a God.

I have just pointed out to CL that his insult to the Irish was wrong and even added that I took it as a personal insult to my Irish children .... His morals with a God was to hide behind other people rather than apologize.

I am sure he will turn the discussion away from his shortfalls as he always does 

(June 2, 2016 at 4:20 am)Socratic Meth Head Wrote: God is supposed to be Omnipresent, and Hell is supposed to be a seperation from God.

Succinctly put. The more succinct the objection the more effective it is. Nice.

(June 8, 2016 at 10:43 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(June 8, 2016 at 10:41 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: For me, any maligning of a whole cultural group because of the real or perceiced attributes of a single member or sub-set of that group is racism. And what Wooters did was malign the whole of the Irish cultural group because of an attribute he imagines I have.

Plus it's always funny listening to his butthurt whining.

Even if the group isn't a race?

Race isn't really a great term consideing most of hunanity's genetic variability is contained within Africa, and most "races" have only superficial differences. I much prefer to think within culutural groupings (some of which are sub-groups of larger groupings, e.g. I'm Irish a Celtic sub-group which is itself part of the larger West European group).

(June 8, 2016 at 11:38 am)madog Wrote: So is Garrison Keiller a bigot?  I have no idea who that is, but if she/he used the term Irish as an insult to say someone was stupid yes ... Some lazy people use nationality to emphasize the stupidity in a group for emphasis .... you have gone one step further and used the citizens of a nation to describe someone as stupid .... and I can assure you my daughters are not stupid you ignorant bastard ... and look I don't need to insult a whole nation to insult you  

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(June 8, 2016 at 11:31 am)ChadWooters Wrote: So is Garrison Keiller a bigot?  

Let me clear something up here, I say things in the heat of an argument that are just plain wrong, but when that is pointed out I apologize .... That is my morals without the need for a God.

I have just pointed out to CL that his insult to the Irish was wrong and even added that I took it as a personal insult to my Irish children .... His morals with a God was to hide behind other people rather than apologize.

I am sure he will turn the discussion away from his shortfalls as he always does 

I think you're taking this waaay to personally.

(June 8, 2016 at 2:38 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(June 8, 2016 at 10:43 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Even if the group isn't a race?

Race isn't really a great term consideing most of hunanity's genetic variability is contained within Africa, and most "races" have only superficial differences. I much prefer to think within culutural groupings (some of which are sub-groups of larger groupings, e.g. I'm Irish a Celtic sub-group which is itself part of the larger West European group).

Oh okay, I understand you now.

I'm Celtic too.

(June 9, 2016 at 1:52 am)energizer bunny Wrote:

(June 8, 2016 at 11:38 am)madog Wrote: So is Garrison Keiller a bigot?  I have no idea who that is, but if she/he used the term Irish as an insult to say someone was stupid yes ... Some lazy people use nationality to emphasize the stupidity in a group for emphasis .... you have gone one step further and used the citizens of a nation to describe someone as stupid .... and I can assure you my daughters are not stupid you ignorant bastard ... and look I don't need to insult a whole nation to insult you  

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Let me clear something up here, I say things in the heat of an argument that are just plain wrong, but when that is pointed out I apologize .... That is my morals without the need for a God.

I have just pointed out to CL that his insult to the Irish was wrong and even added that I took it as a personal insult to my Irish children .... His morals with a God was to hide behind other people rather than apologize.

I am sure he will turn the discussion away from his shortfalls as he always does 

I think you're taking this waaay to personally.

You think what you like 

(June 9, 2016 at 1:56 am)madog Wrote:

(June 9, 2016 at 1:52 am)energizer bunny Wrote: I think you're taking this waaay to personally.

You think what you like 

I don't need you to tell me that.

(June 9, 2016 at 1:58 am)energizer bunny Wrote:

(June 9, 2016 at 1:56 am)madog Wrote: You think what you like 

I don't need you to tell me that.

But I did anyway