You probably should vote for Trump. He sounds right up your alley. If he wins, I know I for one will be heading for the exit. He's a psychopathic manchild who'll elect conservatives to the supreme court. All he does is cut out the middle man for one particular oligarch who has already said he's bought politicians in the past. He's ran scams like Trump University, and runs businesses into the ground. If Trump wins, enjoy your four years of a psychopath as the most powerful man in the world.

(June 13, 2016 at 9:54 pm)Mechaghostman2 Wrote:

(June 13, 2016 at 9:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: He's a fucking racist moron and one of those billionaire's that Sanders was talking about.

I guess you'll have to decide.

Islam is a religion, and Mexico is a nationality. Neither of these things are races, therefore, by definition, he isn't a racist.

And you are a fucking asshole, so yeah.  You should vote for Drumpf. You're two of a kind.

As an Italian who lived through 20 years of Berlusconi... please don't vote Trump

So many people pissed that I'm considering voting for someone that they don't like. haha I love it. From the most basic talking points of "he's a racist" and "he's a fascist" or "he's a man child psychopath" to some of the other talking points of "He's gonna elect a conservative SCOTUS." Yeah, but I haven't seen one person actually give me a real reason why I shouldn't vote for him based on his views. Ignoring the things he's said to get the votes of the rednecks, if you look at the things he's said in the past he's more progressive than your hero Hillary. 3rd party candidates are, at this time, a waste of vote. The Green Party and the Libertarian Party now have a whole few thousand people backing them, whoooo. So we're still left with the dichotomy of Trump vs. Hillary. Why should I pick one moderate Republican over the other moderate Republican? Can you give me an actual fucking argument instead of repeating what the Huffington Post or some people on Facebook told you to say? Actual policies, their cause and effect. Ok, the SCOTUS, I outlined what that'd do at most, IF he elects a conservative SCOTUS. That would mean a little less gun control, a little more religious shit, and a little more states rights instead of federal mandates on things like discrimination laws. What's wrong with states having more power anyways? Ok, another policy issue, he said even back in 2000 that he wanted SSI to be privatized. It doesn't work very well in nations that tried it, it doesn't give much to the elderly compared to it being run by the government. Alright, that's 2 policies that I disagree with him on. Prior to his campaign, he was for a lot of progressive issues, and I doubt he's going to kill the family members of ISIS or build a wall and deport 11 million people. I'm sorry, he's just not going to do that. If he wanted to, he wouldn't be able to. So please, give me an actual fucking argument instead of just a bunch of FEELINGS that I don't give a shit about.

I mean c'mon, atheists are supposed to be rational, not a bunch of cry babies that run to a safe space at the mention of the word Trump.

Ignoring the things he's said in the past few years or so, you'll see that he's very liberal. Not on everything, but on many things. Probably someone you might vote for if you didn't only focus on Trump pandering to a sensationalized media.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

(June 14, 2016 at 2:52 am)Mechaghostman2 Wrote:  That would mean a little less gun control,

Which we can't do without.

Quote:a little more religious shit,

Which we can do without.

Quote:and a little more states rights instead of federal mandates on things like discrimination laws. What's wrong with states having more power anyways?

What they plan on doing with it.

This is a bit like a reverse "what have the Romans ever done for us" -

Ok, apart from him potentially being a psychologically unstable maniac at the nuclear button, having no clue about foreign politics and matters of government - and being proud of his ignorance -, that he will likely alienate crucial allies due to his complete lack of self-control, his brain-rot level plans to institute a "Muslim ban" in the US and similar things, some of the most dystopian ideas ever if attempted, a lacklustre and chaotic campaign dominated by his rogue diatribes, showing that he doesn't have the organizational skills to lead a government, his inciting hate against large swaths of the population instead of trying to unite the country, what would be so bad about Trump as president?

(June 13, 2016 at 10:58 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(June 13, 2016 at 8:41 pm)Mechaghostman2 Wrote: So the question that I'm asking you today, is why should I vote for Hillary over Trump?

I would vote for her because I know full well she will have her husband by her side, and he was a decent president.

The last thing we need is a rerun of the Arkansas racists in the White House.

(June 14, 2016 at 3:59 am)Alex K Wrote: This is a bit like a reverse "what have the Romans ever done for us" -

Ok, apart from him potentially being a psychologically unstable maniac at the nuclear button, having no clue about foreign politics and matters of government - and being proud of his ignorance -, that he will likely alienate crucial allies due to his complete lack of self-control, his brain-rot level plans to institute a "Muslim ban" in the US and similar things, some of the most dystopian ideas ever if attempted, a lacklustre and chaotic campaign dominated by his rogue diatribes, showing that he doesn't have the organizational skills to lead a government, his inciting hate against large swaths of the population instead of trying to unite the country, what would be so bad about Trump as president?

Have you paid much attention to anything he's done or said before he started rambling on about birth certificates and the such like? I don't agree with everything that he's said in those days, but I doubt he's the xenophobic warmonger image that he's created for himself. He's a bit of a nationalist though, saying America's interests should come first, but a lot of people in this country feel that way. No clue on how to run a government? That just means he'll have less knowledge on how to fuck anyone over. As for our allies, well, he's said in the past he's pro-Israel, and that oil is the life blood of all economies, so it's obvious that he'd still be an ally to Saudi Arabia and the like, which is disappointing really. Other allies around the world I don't think would isolate themselves from us. Muslim ban, I doubt he'll do that, he's probably just saying that to appeal to the real bigots in the Republican base, same thing with the wall as he's said privately with people that it's just bullshit to get the crowd cheering when they get bored. As for his organizational skills, he knows enough to make a lot of money, and he knows enough to play with the fantasies of stupid people to get supporters. 

This has mostly been an attack on his character though, and not on his policies. Do I think maybe he should restrain himself and act professional a little more? Absolutely. But really, look at how well it's worked when he doesn't. The man is a reality TV show host, he knows what gets ratings, and what the public wants to hear. He also knows how the media will react. He gets attention by saying stupid or inflammatory things because he knows the spotlight will be on him for doing so. Is he really stupid, or is he genius? Sounds like he's brilliant at marketing himself to the voter base of the Republican party to me, and nothing more.

Now can anyone give me an argument against his actual policies?