(June 24, 2016 at 7:58 am)abaris Wrote:

(June 24, 2016 at 7:53 am)madog Wrote: Eh? the same club that made the rules that violate the ECHR ... so I don't give a shit who sits on regulating themselves 

The sum of the national government members - that's the EU, and that's the body which imposes the rules. There's no Darth Vader sitting in the shadows, only national politicians trying to sell that image to their credulous electorate. Right after they parked their asses at Brussels to make some laws.

What sounds good to a bunch of politicians , that don't understand Human Rights is no way to run a dictatorship that governs nations that are governed by the ECHR .... 

Note the EU can dictate by directives with no concern for the ECHR. Nations have to ignore earlier ratification of the ECHR or have sanctions placed on them by the EU ....

(June 24, 2016 at 7:46 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(June 24, 2016 at 7:07 am)abaris Wrote: That really depends. I don't know about dual citizenship laws in Germany, but I think they're allowing it. As opposed to my country. So there's probably no need to revoke the UK citizenship.

Germany only allows it in certain very narrow circumstances, one of which is the other country is an EU member. If Mathilda were declared a German citizen at birth she would have been allowed dual nationality too (she might even now, the literature I see is sketchy on that). But there is very little else that allows dual nationality under German law.

So far all I've really got to go on is from wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law

Quote:Descent from a German parent

A person born of a parent with German citizenship at the time of the child's birth is a German citizen. Place of birth is not a factor in citizenship determination based on parentage.

Those born after 1 January 1975 are Germans if the mother or father is a German citizen.
Those born before 1 January 1975 could normally only claim German citizenship from the father and not the mother. Exceptions included cases where the parents were unmarried (in which case German mothers could pass on citizenship) or where the German mother applied for the child to be registered as German on or before 31 December 1977.

My father is and has always been a German citizen. My mother's English. I was born in England in 1974.

I'd be prepared to renounce my British citizenship if need be. My husband is Scottish so I should still be able to live here if we wanted. We had thought that we had moved to Germany for good back in 2011 but I came back for a contract which was extended until December this year. It's the language that is holding me back but because I've had to work in English speaking working environments it means that I've had little chance to develop my language skills.

(June 24, 2016 at 8:05 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(June 24, 2016 at 7:53 am)madog Wrote: At least anything coming from the UK will be covered by the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights (ECHR) now we are out, before, rules could be made by the EU that is not bound by the ECHR, other than self regulation which is a joke ...

You do realise that one of the things that insensed the Brexiteers was that the UK has to follow the ECHR.  

I can't answer for those that make ignorant assertions ....

This financial conservative is out. Cutting my losses and moving on. I'm probably just one of multiple millions. I think there will be plenty of tough times to face down the road. I wish you best of luck.

(June 24, 2016 at 8:09 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(June 24, 2016 at 7:46 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Germany only allows it in certain very narrow circumstances, one of which is the other country is an EU member. If Mathilda were declared a German citizen at birth she would have been allowed dual nationality too (she might even now, the literature I see is sketchy on that). But there is very little else that allows dual nationality under German law.

So far all I've really got to go on is from wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law

Quote:Descent from a German parent

A person born of a parent with German citizenship at the time of the child's birth is a German citizen. Place of birth is not a factor in citizenship determination based on parentage.

   Those born after 1 January 1975 are Germans if the mother or father is a German citizen.
   Those born before 1 January 1975 could normally only claim German citizenship from the father and not the mother. Exceptions included cases where the parents were unmarried (in which case German mothers could pass on citizenship) or where the German mother applied for the child to be registered as German on or before 31 December 1977.

My father is and has always been a German citizen. My mother's English. I was born in England in 1974.

I'd be prepared to renounce my British citizenship if need be. My husband is Scottish so I should still be able to live here if we wanted. We had thought that we had moved to Germany for good back in 2011 but I came back for a contract which was extended until December this year. It's the language that is holding me back but because I've had to work in English speaking working environments it means that I've had little chance to develop my language skills.

It really depends where you end up. I know quite a few people working here (HD) in science+technology with initially negligible German language skills.

(June 24, 2016 at 8:11 am)madog Wrote:

(June 24, 2016 at 8:05 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: You do realise that one of the things that insensed the Brexiteers was that the UK has to follow the ECHR.  

I can't answer for those that make ignorant assertions ....

Well then why vote brexit and play into their hands?

Oh and it seems that Boris wasn't actually pro brexit either. He's now trying to row back on the leave process now that leadership of the the Tories has opened up for him. Quelle Suprise, that individual Tories would have used this as a cynical ploy to manoeuvre themselves into (temporarily) better positions.

(June 24, 2016 at 8:19 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(June 24, 2016 at 8:11 am)madog Wrote: I can't answer for those that make ignorant assertions ....

Well then why vote brexit and play into their hands?

Oh and it seems that Boris wasn't actually pro brexit either. He's now trying to row back on the leave process now that leadership of the the Tories has opened up for him. Quelle Suprise, that individual Tories would have used this as a cynical ploy to manoeuvre themselves into (temporarily) better positions.

I could bore you with pages of explanation that banning virtual any expression about a product that has been accepted by many, including UK public health, from being discussed across all media, is a Human Right violation.

It is accepted that vaping is 95% safer than smoking, and could save billions of lives, but it loses lots of tax revenue for the EU indirectly.

If a nation tried to ban freedom of expression they would be in deep water, yet the EU can do it with virtual impunity.

If you wish to be dictated too by such a dictatorship OK, but I don't .... even if it costs me in other aspects of my life.

Dictatorships only get worse, which has been happening with the EU 

(June 24, 2016 at 8:28 am)madog Wrote: Dictatorships only get worse, which has been happening with the EU 

Should I laugh or cry at you not realising that your national politicians made up these laws? I'm not even asking who you think runs the EU, since, honestly I'm a little afraid to hear an answer from tinfoil central.

Oh, and by the way, now your national politicians are free to fuck you royally at the local level. As Constable already pointed out without you taking note.

Just to add, I took two nations, the UK and the Netherlands through the Commission of Human Rights when their laws caused my "bastard" daughter to be stateless in the 1980's ....

If those causes had been the EU I would have only the EU to complain too ... and believe me they have processes that are a joke when complaining to them ....

There are good things about most dictatorships, but that doesn't make up for the fact you can't challenge their failings

(June 24, 2016 at 3:26 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Cameron has resigned and will step down within the next 3 months. Woo hoo!

(June 24, 2016 at 3:25 am)Mathilda Wrote: My dad's German. Therefore Germany recognises me as a German citizen. How do I go about making dual nationality official?

Bye!

You may as well just renounce your British citizenship while you're at it.

You know, you claim this wasn't about xenophobia and then you say shit like that. Your words betray you.