I thought he said he didn't expect us to change our mind? He seems pretty upset about it. How many hundreds of pages has he written about this now? A lot of work for someone who thinks people have no reason to believe him.

(June 24, 2016 at 5:50 pm)RozKek Wrote: http://listverse.com/2015/04/14/10-scien...periences/    
http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...ear-death/     
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Near-death_...xplanation     

More and more guessing Roz.  

Unfortunately these guys still haven't be able to explain how a brain devoid of blood and oxygen can create hallucination.
Do me a favor Roz.
The day that these guys will give solid evidence that the brain devoid of blood and oxygen can produce hallucination come back to me.  

(June 25, 2016 at 7:45 am)robvalue Wrote: I thought he said he didn't expect us to change our mind? He seems pretty upset about it. How many hundreds of pages has he written about this now? A lot of work for someone who thinks people have no reason to believe him.

For a sane person with a life - sure. But this is Rik, you're talking about - it's either this, or smearing poop on the walls. Besides, I think in his deluded little mind, these discussions play out in a drastically different way - he's the wise, witty and handsome teacher, explaining the order of the universe, and everyone else is just talking incomprehensible gibberish...

(June 25, 2016 at 7:45 am)robvalue Wrote: I thought he said he didn't expect us to change our mind? He seems pretty upset about it. How many hundreds of pages has he written about this now? A lot of work for someone who thinks people have no reason to believe him.

Why should I be upset Roberto?
I would be upset if I would be an atheist the day that he-she will realized that he-she was wrong all the way and have wasted all his her lives chasing fantasies.
I didn't so I am quite happy to be what I am.  

Aaand there's Pascal's Wager...


You fucking n00b.

(June 25, 2016 at 7:41 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:

(June 25, 2016 at 7:33 am)Little Rik Wrote: Evidence that one day you will stop being a clown and become rich will never ever eventuate unless you get off and move your backside and start doing something that will take you out the monetary sewer in which you are at the moment.  

That is how rich people did.
Hard work but most of all taking some risks.
Feeling God within work along the same lines but unlike materialism there is no negative sides.
To enter the dimension in which lie the real McCoy of life involve a lot of hard work and taking the risk
that after all there is no McCoy.
And also the risk that believers tell you lies.
That however is up to you to decide.
Good luck son.  

Lol...you're not even attempting to argue with me any more. You're now reduced to nothing but personal attacks. Thanks for admitting defeat, Rikki.

Wrong again Pinky.  

If you would have stopped thinking about your clown shows and concentrate on what i said in my previous post you would have understood that in fact I did answer your question.
Your question was about believe only when the evidence is there.
My answer to your question was that in life the evidence can only be found when you move your backside
get up and do the hard work yourself.
Especially in the field of consciousness the evidence can only be found when you let yourself go and take the risk to believe that something really big and great is there.
If you wait for the manna to fall from the sky you will wait for ever.  

You'd be upset if you were an atheist? What a weird statement.

Oh right, you'd be upset if you were an atheist but you were delusional and chasing fantasies? I suppose so, yeah.

But if you were delusional, why would you be upset about it? You wouldn't know you were delusional.

Wait...

You would upset if you were you, but you were watching an atheist version of yourself, who had delusions? Do you think this scenario is very likely? Check your insurance documents. Some of them cover this anyway.

(June 25, 2016 at 9:06 am)robvalue Wrote: Wait...

You would upset if you were you, but you were watching an atheist version of yourself, who had delusions? Do you think this scenario is very likely? Check your insurance documents. Some of them cover this anyway.

Roberto.  

If you go through the hundreds of NDEs experiences there are few about atheists now believers.
Guess what?
These guys feel ashamed of themselves for their previous stupidity in thinking that there was no God
that is why I said what I said in the previous post.  

(June 23, 2016 at 4:42 pm)Gemini Wrote:

(June 23, 2016 at 10:30 am)Little Rik Wrote: I did asked you to show me the contradiction.
Where is it?
Can you also show me where I made any comment about NDEs that you relate to your point?

*sigh*

I said NDEs provided no objective evidence for an afterlife, and you responded with:

Quote:...As God your intention is to teach something only to those who are ready to learn.
Why would you teach to someone who is not ready?
It wouldn't make sense that is why only some of the people who had an NDE experience God.

God is not there to show himself to those who don't care about him.
Not only that but he-she (God has no sex) is also not engaging in games or give evidences that he exist such as to show to skeptics tricks when an NDE can see things put there by skeptics as experiments.  

You're saying God only appears in NDEs to teach people who are "ready to learn" (which is false, as I pointed out--many skeptics experience God in NDEs and do not find the experience convincing), and you also said that God is careful not to provide evidence of his existence to skeptics.

What you're describing is called "subjective experience." Now, if you want to dispute my claim that NDEs provide no objective evidence for an afterlife (or God), you're going to want to come up with some objective evidence.

1) A brain devoid of blood and oxygen can not produce any hallucination therefore it is the consciousness that take over and experience what is described by these people who had the NDE.

2) Real NDEs follow a certain pattern.
They are there to teach however I do not doubt that some NDEs can produce nothing or something
not related to God.
It is obvious that not all people care to learn so they get nothing.