(June 28, 2016 at 2:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You keep saying that as though it mattered in the context of our laws, which it doesn't - and wouldn't distinguish between those two if it did.  I can assault a position with either, to exactly the same effect.  Can I get your opinion on the above.  Do you think that the winchester was the intended target of an assault weapons ban or the mp? Can I get your opinion as a shooter and owner, on the relative lethality of the two semi auto high cap .22 lrs I posted?  On which should be, and which shouldn't be illegal, and why?

If that was directed at me I'd just like to say that I was injecting a little factual material into the debate.

(June 28, 2016 at 2:55 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: If that was directed at me I'd just like to say that I was injecting a little factual material into the debate.

I warms my heart to see a liberal use facts.

Oh yeah, thanks for the trivia.

(June 28, 2016 at 2:55 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:

(June 28, 2016 at 2:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You keep saying that as though it mattered in the context of our laws, which it doesn't - and wouldn't distinguish between those two if it did.  I can assault a position with either, to exactly the same effect.  Can I get your opinion on the above.  Do you think that the winchester was the intended target of an assault weapons ban or the mp? Can I get your opinion as a shooter and owner, on the relative lethality of the two semi auto high cap .22 lrs I posted?  On which should be, and which shouldn't be illegal, and why?

If that was directed at me I'd just like to say that I was injecting a little factual material into the debate.

Really?  Because that's not what the term assault weapon means, in our laws, nor is the german language referred to.  Nor is an assault weapon an assault rifle, the latter being a well defined and well regulated group..the former being a peice of social engineering that's profited gun control groups, gun rights advocates...and perhaps more than either of those two, gun manufacturers. Cletus really thinks he's buying a piece of military hardware when he buys an AR, the idea of that scares the shit out of John, and William takes them both to the cleaners on account of it.  I would -love- to see some facts injected into the gun debate, but I don't see how this accomplishes that.

No opinions on any of my questions? How about a simpler one? Does it seem productive, to you, that an assault weapon ban applies to that win190, insomuch as it's just as illegal and for the same reasons as the MPAR chambered for the same round by the terms as defined in the ban..but not -actionable- in either case due to grandfathering?

@KUSA Liberal, conservative, centrist, it hardly seems to matter. No one can consistently decide what it is, exactly, that they're talking about or legislating against, or why. That -might- explain our gun policy failure. I'm sure someone is ready to call me a crazy gun nut on account of that suggestion, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. It's not hard to see why gun rights groups have been so successful when you actually take a look at some of these laws. Personally, I'm tired of the outrage and ridicule that gun control advocates who propose laws that would bar me from owning a rifle but not the orlando shooter express when someone so much as hints at their own incompetence as a major barrier to gun control reform, even moreso than their favorite batshit punching bags, the NRA. If they're babbling idiots (and they are), gun control advocates are getting trounced by babbling idiots. At some point they're going to have to assume a little responsibility for that, and you'd think they'd at least be curious as to why their well meaning laws are so damned easy for idiots to contest.

TFB, then.

Right, TFB, but not for me...for the american people. Bodies stacking up, and the gun control advocates can't even articulate a coherent position in conversation, let alone legislatively.

Meanwhile I'm still plinking cans with my "assault weapon", having an awesome time.

What kind of cans?

Family Size Green Giant are the best.  They stop the rounds and don't ricochet (plus, they're easy to hit..I live for the noise). Cheap ass walmart cans are a through and through, and automotives sometimes skate the rounds out at an angle into the valley...unless you load sabot or jackets.

(June 28, 2016 at 5:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Right, TFB, but not for me...for the american people.  Bodies stacking up, and the gun control advocates can't even articulate a coherent position in conversation, let alone legislatively.  

Meanwhile I'm still plinking cans with my "assault weapon", having an awesome time.

Another TFB for non-comprehension then.

(June 28, 2016 at 5:51 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:

(June 28, 2016 at 5:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Right, TFB, but not for me...for the american people.  Bodies stacking up, and the gun control advocates can't even articulate a coherent position in conversation, let alone legislatively.  

Meanwhile I'm still plinking cans with my "assault weapon", having an awesome time.

Another TFB for non-comprehension then.

You are so very smart.  May we please be like you?

(June 28, 2016 at 4:44 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(June 28, 2016 at 2:55 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: If that was directed at me I'd just like to say that I was injecting a little factual material into the debate.

Really?  Because that's not what the term assault weapon means, in our laws, nor is the german language referred to.  Nor is an assault weapon an assault rifle, the latter being a well defined and well regulated group..the former being a peice of social engineering that's profited gun control groups, gun rights advocates...and perhaps more than either of those two, gun manufacturers.  Cletus really thinks he's buying a piece of military hardware when he buys an AR, the idea of that scares the shit out of John, and William takes them both to the cleaners on account of it.  I would -love- to see some facts injected into the gun debate, but I don't see how this accomplishes that.

No opinions on any of my questions?  How about a simpler one?  Does it seem productive, to you, that an assault weapon ban applies to that win190, insomuch as it's just as illegal and for the same reasons as the MPAR chambered for the same round by the terms as defined in the ban..but not -actionable- in either case due to grandfathering?  

@KUSA  Liberal, conservative, centrist, it hardly seems to matter.  No one can consistently decide what it is, exactly, that they're talking about or legislating against, or why.  That -might- explain our gun policy failure.  I'm sure someone is ready to call me a crazy gun nut on account of that suggestion, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.  It's not hard to see why gun rights groups have been so successful when you actually take a look at some of these laws.  Personally, I'm tired of the outrage and ridicule that gun control advocates who propose laws that would bar me from owning a rifle but not the orlando shooter express when someone so much as hints at their own incompetence as a major barrier to gun control reform, even moreso than their favorite batshit punching bags, the NRA.  If they're babbling idiots (and they are), gun control advocates are getting trounced by babbling idiots.  At some point they're going to have to assume a little responsibility for that, and you'd think they'd at least be curious as to why their well meaning laws are so damned easy for idiots to contest.

It isn't the gun safety advocates that want to punish all gun owners, I am tired of that bullshit slur. And how dare you claim nobody should be "outraged". It is the gun worshipers and blood lobby that stifle everything at every turn.

"Well meaning", no if we had national consistency on gun laws we could reduce gun deaths. But we aren't the ones who advocate "sell more guns" and "do nothing" that is the blood lobby NRA.