(June 30, 2016 at 2:51 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:

(June 30, 2016 at 2:49 pm)RetiredArmy Wrote: Nice non-answer

You were refuted in the next prior post. 

His response does not prevent you from making insightful and useful comments.  That's all on you....

(June 30, 2016 at 2:50 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:

(June 30, 2016 at 2:48 pm)wallym Wrote: Slippery slope is not a make believe idea.  It's a real strategy for changing society.  As I said earlier to Brian, if you're old enough, you remember the Gay rights movement starting by the community just asking to be viewed as an alternative lifestyle on MTv.  Now if you called homosexuality an alternative lifestyle, you'd be labeled a bigot.

You don't do anything in one fell swoop.  You baby step your way to the goal.

And rationally, again, when someone goes into a school and shoots a bunch of kids with a hunting rifle, or pistol, people aren't going to see that as the successful endpoint of the gun control issue.  "Finally, kids are being murdered inefficiently with guns!  Job well done!" is not going to be the reaction.

See?

Maybe I'm mistaken.  In a hypothetical future, where we have the gun laws you want in place.  A guy goes into a school, and shoots 30 1st graders, are you going to accept that as the status quo?  It's a shame, but that's just the reality we live in now?

(June 30, 2016 at 2:55 pm)RetiredArmy Wrote:

(June 30, 2016 at 2:51 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: You were refuted in the next prior post. 

His response does not prevent you from making insightful and useful comments.  That's all on you....

If you need to approve my posts I'll send you advance copies. 

(June 30, 2016 at 3:04 pm)wallym Wrote:

(June 30, 2016 at 2:50 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: See?

Maybe I'm mistaken.  In a hypothetical future, where we have the gun laws you want in place.  A guy goes into a school, and shoots 30 1st graders, are you going to accept that as the status quo?  It's a shame, but that's just the reality we live in now?

Explain what gun laws I want in place.

(June 30, 2016 at 3:09 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:

(June 30, 2016 at 3:04 pm)wallym Wrote: Maybe I'm mistaken.  In a hypothetical future, where we have the gun laws you want in place.  A guy goes into a school, and shoots 30 1st graders, are you going to accept that as the status quo?  It's a shame, but that's just the reality we live in now?

Explain what gun laws I want in place.

Whatever you want.  It doesn't matter.  Mentally apply your perfect gun legislation, and then after that's enacted, someone shoots 30 1st graders.

But you seem like you're going to be an unwilling participant, so I'll skip the q&a, and get to the point.
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The goal, I would think, and it's a reasonable one, is for people to not be getting killed with guns.

As long as there are guns, people are going to be killing people with guns.

So, let's get rid of the guns.
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I don't even begrudge the position.  It's just common sense.  Maybe impractical in terms of implementation, but is that not what you want?  Do you want no people being murdered with guns?  Or do you want 15% less people being murdered with guns?  

It's one of the more  hilarious parts of the 'pro-safety' movement.  It's convinced it's own supporters that they don't want what they should very obviously want. 

Gun control legislation is compromise.  But it still results in people being murdered with guns, which is what you don't want.  So why would you stop trying to strengthen it?

I don't plan to follow anyone's stair-stepping, true.

When did I say was not trying to strengthen gun control legislation. Or that I was, for that matter.

(June 30, 2016 at 3:44 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: I don't plan to follow anyone's stair-stepping, true.

When did I say  was not trying to strengthen gun control legislation. Or that I was, for that matter.

You're definitely scoring lots of imaginary points in some game nobody else is playing, and I congratulate you for it.  Keep up the good work.

(June 30, 2016 at 4:19 pm)wallym Wrote:

(June 30, 2016 at 3:44 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: I don't plan to follow anyone's stair-stepping, true.

When did I say  was not trying to strengthen gun control legislation. Or that I was, for that matter.

You're definitely scoring lots of imaginary points in some game nobody else is playing, and I congratulate you for it.  Keep up the good work.

You think I care what you think?

So, we're not actually presenting any evidence or arguments against the suggestion that all of the problems mentioned in this thread exist - more important to sling some shit and decide for ourselves who resides on what side of an imaginary line?

At this rate, our gun problem ought to be solved this side of never.  

(June 30, 2016 at 4:41 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So, we're not actually presenting any evidence or arguments against the suggestion that all of the problems mentioned in this thread exist - more important to sling some shit and decide for ourselves who resides on what side of an imaginary line?

At this rate, our gun problem ought to be solved this side of never.  

We're not going to solve anything here anyway.