(July 6, 2016 at 12:35 am)Aractus Wrote: Hillary is just like Lance. Except what she has done to others is even worse than ruining their athletic careers. She overthrew the Libyan government, she supported overthrowing Syria, and overthrowing Saddam, and supporting Israel to oppress the Indigenous peoples of the Levant, and supporting the oppression of Cuban people by continuing an illegal trade embargo. And that's before we even consider what damage to her own American people she may have done.

Look, I don't like Hillary anymore than you do, but saying she overthrew the Libyan government is a bit hyperbolic, don't you think? She encouraged it through the Arab Spring, yes, but to say that one lady overthrew a dictatorship from the State Department is just simply not true.

(July 6, 2016 at 4:16 am)A Theist Wrote: Her level of negligence and incompetence wouldn't be tolerated in the private sector. She'd be fired from her job. Even more reason not to put her in the White House.

Well, what would you have us do? Let a moronic conspiracy-theorist with extremely thin skin have his finger on the button? I mean, the guy keeps retweeting stuff from Neo-Nazis, so he's either a dangerous racist or the stupidest fucking idiot on this planet. Either way, I don't want him anywhere near the White House.

At this point, we have to just accept that, like Hammy alluded to, Democracy has failed us, and we have to go with the lesser of two evils and hope that we can survive the next four years. My only hope is that the American people will wise up. I'm not holding my breath, though.

(July 6, 2016 at 12:46 am)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(July 5, 2016 at 9:10 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: She's still a liar and untrustworthy.

And her hair and the way she has just totally let herself go.  Disgusting.  Still the chicken is better than a turd sandwich as I read somewhere.

I don't know many people who don't lie or who reliably do what I think they should.  Hillary will be fine for the country.  Maybe she'll grow on you?

Like a tumor? hehe

Ah, the lesser of two evils. What ya gonna do? Once elected I'm not expecting much from her.

(July 5, 2016 at 9:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote: The FBI did not say that Clinton was innocent,

That is not their job.  Here, everyone is innocent until PROVEN guilty.  I don't know how you work that down under.

No shit, if they want to talk about breaking the law Reagan and Bush Jr should have been brought up on charges.  I don't think they understand how law enforcement works.

(July 6, 2016 at 6:41 am)Faith No More Wrote: Look, I don't like Hillary anymore than you do, but saying she overthrew the Libyan government is a bit hyperbolic, don't you think?  She encouraged it through the Arab Spring, yes, but to say that one lady overthrew a dictatorship from the State Department is just simply not true.

No I don't think so. She pushed the button. She could have instead lobbied for a peaceful diplomatic solution, but didn't.

(July 5, 2016 at 11:14 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(July 5, 2016 at 7:56 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Yeah, Secular talk was going on about a story where Bill Clinton spent half an hour on a private plane with the head of investigations. So yeah, politics is as sleazy as ever. The next mass shooting needs to happen on Wall Street, or in Congress.

Or maybe it just needs to happen in your home. What do you say?

That wouldn't be much of a mass shooting. I don't recall crashing the economy, or hellping to ship jobs overseas, or otherwise ruin the lives of the majority of Americans. So I can't say I'm doing enough damage to be worth shooting.

(July 6, 2016 at 7:50 am)Aractus Wrote: No I don't think so. She pushed the button. She could have instead lobbies for a peaceful diplomatic solution, but didn't.

How exactly does one negotiate a peaceful, diplomatic solution with a ruthless dictator? If anything, she is guilty of being so naive as to think that democracy would simply fall into place if a dictator is removed.

That's a straw man. She could have negotiated it within the USA.

(July 6, 2016 at 9:38 am)Faith No More Wrote:

(July 6, 2016 at 7:50 am)Aractus Wrote: No I don't think so. She pushed the button. She could have instead lobbies for a peaceful diplomatic solution, but didn't.

How exactly does one negotiate a peaceful, diplomatic solution with a ruthless dictator?   If anything, she is guilty of being so naive as to think that democracy would simply fall into place if a dictator is removed.

Ruin their economy through sanctions, divestment, and boycotts. The rich and powerful will start listening if you make them less rich. Certainly better than assassinating a dictator.

(July 6, 2016 at 9:39 am)Aractus Wrote: That's a straw man. She could have negotiated it within the USA.

It's not a strawman. You said she should have gone for a peaceful, diplomatic solution, and I'm just wondering how someone is supposed to go about that when a murderous dictator is involved.