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RE: Bernie Having Some Fun
July 25, 2016 at 1:49 pm
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(July 25, 2016 at 1:46 pm)Spirian Wrote: Yes. That's what I'm saying. I shouldn't have to pay anyone's healthcare costs but my own.
You know, I would agree. Unfortunately, we don;t get to make that choice...whether or not we have universal healthcare we -do- end up paying each others healthcare costs. Beyond the simple social and fiscal reality of that..that's -exactly- how health insurance, for profit..works to begin with. One of those moments where I understand the ideological objection, and share it...but I can't for the life of me see how it applies.
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RE: Bernie Having Some Fun
July 25, 2016 at 1:50 pm
(July 24, 2016 at 4:39 pm)Aroura Wrote: (July 22, 2016 at 5:02 pm)Spirian Wrote: It's fascinating to me how elections will turn normally nice people into something else entirely.
It's also fascinating how just because I threw a stone into the Bernie camp that automatically makes me a Trump supporter - which I'm not.
Nice ad-hom BTW 
You did not throw a stone at the Bernie camp, you threw a stone at the poor, dispossessed, homeless, elderly, ill, disabled, veterans, and anyone else who might need a "social program" in their lives.
In short, you showed you are a shallow and selfish person.
Victim mentality much?
When you don't have an argument, attack the character of the one you oppose. Very classy.
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RE: Bernie Having Some Fun
July 25, 2016 at 1:54 pm
(July 25, 2016 at 1:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (July 25, 2016 at 1:46 pm)Spirian Wrote: Yes. That's what I'm saying. I shouldn't have to pay anyone's healthcare costs but my own.
You know, I would agree. Unfortunately, we don;t get to make that choice...whether or not we have universal healthcare we -do- end up paying each others healthcare costs. Beyond the simple social and fiscal reality of that..that's -exactly- how health insurance, for profit..works to begin with. One of those moments where I understand the ideological objection, and share it...but I can't for the life of me see how it applies.
And for the life of me, I can't fathom why just because I don't share certain views, that I become the target of name calling, character attacks, and ad hom BS, on a "free-thinkers" forum. Fascinating, and very revealing.
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RE: Bernie Having Some Fun
July 25, 2016 at 2:03 pm
So you want to be a greedy, self-absorbed, prick but just don't want to be called one? Nice if you can get it.
We've got a whole political party like that. They want to be racist assholes but think they should be called "patriots" instead of racist assholes.
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RE: Bernie Having Some Fun
July 25, 2016 at 2:10 pm
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(July 25, 2016 at 2:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote: So you want to be a greedy, self-absorbed, prick but just don't want to be called one? Nice if you can get it.
We've got a whole political party like that. They want to be racist assholes but think they should be called "patriots" instead of racist assholes.
I have a differing view. If that gives you license to call me names, then have at it.
If I like guns I'm a (fill in expletive here).
If I'm a cop I'm a (fill in expletive here).
If I have ANY differing view from you, I'm a (fill in expletive here).
Must be nice (if you can get it) to sit on such perceived high ground, lobbing shells at anyone who walks differently than you.
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RE: Bernie Having Some Fun
July 25, 2016 at 2:12 pm
(July 25, 2016 at 1:46 pm)Spirian Wrote: Yes. That's what I'm saying. I shouldn't have to pay anyone's healthcare costs but my own.
Honest question: how do you think private health insurance works?
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RE: Bernie Having Some Fun
July 25, 2016 at 2:16 pm
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(July 25, 2016 at 1:54 pm)Spirian Wrote: And for the life of me, I can't fathom why just because I don't share certain views, that I become the target of name calling, character attacks, and ad hom BS, on a "free-thinkers" forum. Fascinating, and very revealing. You and I share that view.........
I've just come to the opinion that the normative statement we both agree to, in this instance, has no real world application. I'm open to ways in which that statement could be given real world applications, if, for no other reason, than to see ways in which reality might be made to conform with our normative position.
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RE: Bernie Having Some Fun
July 25, 2016 at 2:18 pm
(July 25, 2016 at 1:46 pm)Spirian Wrote: (July 22, 2016 at 7:46 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Wait, are you telling me you wouldn't want your country to have stuff like Universal Healthcare....
Yes. That's what I'm saying. I shouldn't have to pay anyone's healthcare costs but my own.
Family Guy quote:
Lois: "Oh, Brian, does that make me a bad person?"
Brian: "Yes! Yes, it does make you a bad person!"
How will we know, when the morning comes, we are still human? - 2D
Don't worry, my friend. If this be the end, then so shall it be.
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RE: Bernie Having Some Fun
July 25, 2016 at 2:20 pm
(July 25, 2016 at 2:12 pm)Tiberius Wrote: (July 25, 2016 at 1:46 pm)Spirian Wrote: Yes. That's what I'm saying. I shouldn't have to pay anyone's healthcare costs but my own.
Honest question: how do you think private health insurance works?
Honest answer: I think it lines politicians pockets with money that's supposed to be for medical care.
I'm not talking about "insurance". I'm talking about paying for my own medical costs.
Like if I go to the ER I don't pay $1,000 per hour for the room, to subsidize the failed insurance system. I pay a fair rate per hour plus legitimate costs for MY visit. If I run up a $10,000 tab, I pay the $10,000.
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RE: Bernie Having Some Fun
July 25, 2016 at 2:23 pm
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I'm not sure what a fair rate is. Either we pay what they ask, someone (or many someones) pay what they ask, the doctors have to work for free....or we don't get care. We're sort of bound in on all sides, don't you think? Insurance (where we all pay in and what they ask comes out) arose as a response to the increasing cost of healthcare...the point at which it became apparent that none of us could afford treatment. What's the alternative?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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