(July 25, 2016 at 7:57 pm)Irrational Wrote: Yeah, the Hillary bias is a little too obvious here on the part of the OP.

That said, some of Bernie's supporters can be a little frustrating as well. Makes me wonder if they really support Bernie for his policies, rather than because he's the cool uncle/grandpa they never had or something.

Count me as one of the biased as well, then.

(July 25, 2016 at 8:16 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(July 25, 2016 at 7:38 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Can you give me a straightforward answer? What do you think is going to happen if people are going to think like you and not vote for Hillary out of spite?

People need to start voting for who they want to win. Not the lesser of two evils. When we do that, then people like Bernie will get more attention until the establishment has to let them in because no one else gets voted in. If Trump takes office, things will get worse faster than if Hillary does, and that would just incite people even more.

Many humans have a funny tendency of only changing when things hit rock bottom first. If that's going to be the case, then we might as well let it hit the rocks sooner rather than later.

I am voting third party what ever.. the DNC and Hillary did they completely broke Bernie. 
That being said i am voting Jill Stein i don't want us to be at war anymore we are fighting a war which 
we cannot win. I have a value system the DNC and Hillary can just go down the shutter they made a mockery 
of political system with their bias and slander. In all honesty if we do get Trump at least it's not Hillary who will send
more troops back overseas to die for nothing.

A 'NOT TRUMP' campaign will not win the election, nor will it absolve the DNC of its primary collusion and machinations. Policy positions no longer matter. It's all about who can get people to the polls. The leaked emails will permanently alienate many democrats, not that they'll vote for Trump, but the vigor of their participation will be non-existent.

The emails also take bigotry, as a point of attack against Trump, off the table.

If the bias had happened for Bernie, I bet that most of these same Bernie Supporters would be quite happy with it. Personally, while I'm not happy with what the DNC has done I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. I supported Bernie Sanders because of his policies. We didn't agree on everything. If Sanders never ran, I'd have probably supported Hillary over any of the other Democratic Candidates (certainly over Martin O'Malley and Lincoln Chafee). I don't agree with her on everything, but I'll gladly support her over the Republican Candidates.

I'm mad at the DNC, but I still hate the RNC more. Republicans have backward beliefs, and I'm not going to just let them control all three branches of government because my preferred candidate wasn't selected. I don't even think the DNC had the impact people seem to think they had. The RNC is just as corrupt. We may not have their emails, but they lie straight to the American people, refusing to accept facts and numbers, instead relying on fear and 'feelings'.

The Dems need to ride this train of unity. Love is conquering hate at this convention. You hear the smattering of dissent, which I love and applaud. This is the DNC's party, and they are putting on a message of love and positivity.

I'm on board. Cory Booker fucked that whole arena up. That man is the progressive that Bernie supporters can get behind. Hopefully in 2024. When a man gets the handkerchief out and wipes his brow whilst hitting a series of homeruns---thats when a man is getting it done.

"Like dust we rise." Fuck me that hit home.

Michelle's killing it, too.

(July 25, 2016 at 10:13 pm)Cecelia Wrote: If the bias had happened for Bernie, I bet that most of these same Bernie Supporters would be quite happy with it.  Personally, while I'm not happy with what the DNC has done I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face.  I supported Bernie Sanders because of his policies.  We didn't agree on everything.  If Sanders never ran, I'd have probably supported Hillary over any of the other Democratic Candidates (certainly over Martin O'Malley and Lincoln Chafee).  I don't agree with her on everything, but I'll gladly support her over the Republican Candidates.  

I'm mad at the DNC, but I still hate the RNC more.  Republicans have backward beliefs, and I'm not going to just let them control all three branches of government because my preferred candidate wasn't selected.  I don't even think the DNC had the impact people seem to think they had.  The RNC is just as corrupt.  We may not have their emails, but they lie straight to the American people, refusing to accept facts and numbers, instead relying on fear and 'feelings'.

As much as i want to agree.. Hillary is more of the dangerous one though

Hillary is not more dangerous than Trump. Her SCOTUS nominees will be greatly preferable (especially if you hope Citizens United is ever overturned). She won't allow abortion restrictions that Trump will surely impose (which matters to me as a woman, and mother of five daughters, three of whom will be dating age not long after 2020) or nominate justices that will allow restrictions on abortions to be placed.

Nor will she throw out our trade deals because she doesn't like them, or the nuclear deal we have with Iran. She won't build an expensive wall that will have negative consequences for the environment.

I also imagine her cabinet picks won't be as big of nutcases as whoever Trump would pick. And while I'm not a big fan of Tim Kaine, he's never tried to have gay people imprisoned for trying to get a marriage certificate, divert funding from HIV prevention to gay conversion therapy, and he never served on the board of Focus on The Family.

(July 25, 2016 at 10:15 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: The Dems need to ride this train of unity. Love is conquering hate at this convention. You hear the smattering of dissent, which I love and applaud. This is the DNC's party, and they are putting on a message of love and positivity.

I'm on board. Cory Booker fucked that whole arena up. That man is the progressive that Bernie supporters can get behind. Hopefully in 2024. When a man gets the handkerchief out and wipes his brow whilst hitting a series of homeruns---thats when a man is getting it done.

"Like dust we rise." Fuck me that hit home.

Michelle's killing it, too.

At this point i dont think establishment values are worth Uniting over at this point the point being it worked 90's
in this new era it doesn't anymore. We need someone who is progressive we don't need a establishment democrat in office
we need someone who is progressive and someone who can make the change. Obama had his time to make the change but
he was too busy trying to please both sides he had the power to get things done he didn't bother to get things done. Though 
i give him credit he fixed the economy and got Americans back to work that's great.

(July 25, 2016 at 10:35 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(July 25, 2016 at 10:15 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: The Dems need to ride this train of unity. Love is conquering hate at this convention. You hear the smattering of dissent, which I love and applaud. This is the DNC's party, and they are putting on a message of love and positivity.

I'm on board. Cory Booker fucked that whole arena up. That man is the progressive that Bernie supporters can get behind. Hopefully in 2024. When a man gets the handkerchief out and wipes his brow whilst hitting a series of homeruns---thats when a man is getting it done.

"Like dust we rise." Fuck me that hit home.

Michelle's killing it, too.

At this point i dont think establishment values are worth Uniting over at this point the point being it worked 90's
in this new era it doesn't anymore. We need someone who is progressive we don't need a establishment democrat in office
we need someone who is progressive and someone who can make the change. Obama had his time to make the change but
he was too busy trying to please both sides he had the power to get things done he didn't bother to get things done. Though 
i give him credit he fixed the economy and got Americans back to work that's great.

Which establishment values are not worth uniting over? Dyre, I get it, you are disillusioned, but you have proved over and over that your hatred for Hillary has trumped (I choose that word purposefully) has blinded you to the policies of the Democratic party as a whole.

So which policies of the Democratic Party do you not agree with? We don't have a progressive candidate in the race. Jill Stein hardly qualifies. I fully support your vote as a mesage to the Democratic party. But don't pretend that their values aren't your own.

(July 25, 2016 at 10:40 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(July 25, 2016 at 10:35 pm)dyresand Wrote: At this point i dont think establishment values are worth Uniting over at this point the point being it worked 90's
in this new era it doesn't anymore. We need someone who is progressive we don't need a establishment democrat in office
we need someone who is progressive and someone who can make the change. Obama had his time to make the change but
he was too busy trying to please both sides he had the power to get things done he didn't bother to get things done. Though 
i give him credit he fixed the economy and got Americans back to work that's great.

Which establishment values are not worth uniting over? Dyre, I get it, you are disillusioned, but you have proved over and over that your hatred for Hillary has trumped (I choose that word purposefully) has blinded you to the policies of the Democratic party as a whole.

So which policies of the Democratic Party do you not agree with? We don't have a progressive candidate in the race. Jill Stein hardly qualifies. I fully support your vote as a mesage to the Democratic party. But don't pretend that their values aren't your own.

 
It's not that i hate her i really don't i just don't trust her at all...
That and she wasn't running a fair campaign to begin with there is a difference
between running a fair campaign to win then there is just cheating.