I missed whatever was said (per CSPAN comment) re: the US Football League.

(July 25, 2016 at 11:28 pm)Exian Wrote: Think Bernie did a good enough job getting the Bernie or Bust crowd over to the Hilary camp? He seemed to stress the idea that he and Hilary compromised and combined their platforms in an effort to get them on board.

Whatever flaws people want to turn Hillary into a cereal killer are absurd, but worse coming from Bernie or bust idiots. I voted for Bernie but it is really absurd that there are still people screaming AFTER he endorsed Hillary.

(July 25, 2016 at 11:28 pm)Exian Wrote: Think Bernie did a good enough job getting the Bernie or Bust crowd over to the Hilary camp? He seemed to stress the idea that he and Hilary compromised and combined their platforms in an effort to get them on board.

Probably not; he didn't convince me anyway. His listing of the combined platform just reminded me that basically every item on the list was a Bernie policy that Hillary fought against, then adopted, then claimed she's supported all along.

If Clinton hasn't chosen a conservative Democrat as a running mate, they would have convinced more people. If the DNC email scandal hadn't just happened, they would have convinced more people. If Clinton hadn't just hired Debbie Wassermann Schultz to her campaign, they would have convinced more people.

The DNC screwed themselves if they wanted the support of Bernie supporters, because you can't purposefully try to undermine a progressive grassroots campaign, lie about it, hire the person who was in charge or ultimately responsible for the undermining, and then turn around and say "oh, but do we still have your vote?"

As I said before in another thread, the Democrats had this election on a silver platter when Trump was nominated. All they had to do was avoid scandal, have a fair and democratic nomination process, and they would have sailed into the White House on a landslide. Instead, we got Clinton with her email excuses and lies, the DNC rigging the contest against a perfectly decent candidate, and a Democratic Party that doesn't even deserve to use the word "Democratic" in their name anymore.

Bernie did awesome.

Bernie Sanders Wrote:We need leadership which brings our people together and makes us stronger not leadership which insults Latinos and Mexicans, insults Muslims and women, African-Americans -- and seeks to divide us up. By these measures, any objective observer will conclude that based on her ideas and her leadership, Hillary Clinton must become the next president of the United States.

Yup.

It's definitely odd listening to them spin positivity immediately after saying how bad things are. With Bernie voters and Black voters being mad ass hell, it's interesting to hear them try to go rosy and address their concerns at the same time.

THE RICH CONTROL MORE WEALTH TODAY THAN EVER BEFORE!!! Also, thank you Obama for your work on the economy.
BLACK PEOPLE ARE BEING GUNNED DOWN IN THE STREETS! THAT COULD BE OUR CHILDREN! But we're not divided.
WE NEED TO BAN GUNS NOW! But all this violence and doom and gloom from Trump doesn't match reality.

(July 26, 2016 at 12:47 am)wallym Wrote: It's definitely odd listening to them spin positivity immediately after saying how bad things are. With Bernie voters and Black voters being mad ass hell, it's interesting to hear them try to go rosy and address their concerns at the same time.

THE RICH CONTROL MORE WEALTH TODAY THAN EVER BEFORE!!! Also, thank you Obama for your work on the economy.
BLACK PEOPLE ARE BEING GUNNED DOWN IN THE STREETS! THAT COULD BE OUR CHILDREN! But we're not divided.
WE NEED TO BAN GUNS NOW! But all this violence and doom and gloom from Trump doesn't match reality.

Point 1) The economy is objectively better for everyone including the 1% during the Obama presidency. So, yeah, thanks Obama.
Point 2) Nobody on that stage said we're not divided. They said instead of rhetoric that further divides us, we are better together. It is just childish to say that pointing out a way in which we are desperately failing and need to do better is somehow saying there is no division in America.
Pont 3) I didn't hear one person say we need to ban guns now or that violence isn't a problem in America.

Dude, if you want to go with feelings over facts like a theist, go for it. But don't try to pull that shit here of all places.

(July 25, 2016 at 11:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 25, 2016 at 11:28 pm)Exian Wrote: Think Bernie did a good enough job getting the Bernie or Bust crowd over to the Hilary camp? He seemed to stress the idea that he and Hilary compromised and combined their platforms in an effort to get them on board.

Whatever flaws people want to turn Hillary into a cereal killer are absurd, but worse coming from Bernie or bust idiots. I voted for Bernie but it is really absurd that there are still people screaming AFTER he endorsed Hillary.

Boru

The Bernie voters shouldn't be wasting their time at the DNC. Hilary Bots be like "they've had their fun, now shut up and for Hilary". They can achieve their aims in the Green Party and make them stronger instead of trying to reform the counter-revolutionary Democratic Party which won't give them the change they want. Tim Kaine is pro-tpp, Wall Street and bank deregulation.

(July 26, 2016 at 12:25 am)Tiberius Wrote:

(July 25, 2016 at 11:28 pm)Exian Wrote: Think Bernie did a good enough job getting the Bernie or Bust crowd over to the Hilary camp? He seemed to stress the idea that he and Hilary compromised and combined their platforms in an effort to get them on board.

Probably not; he didn't convince me anyway. His listing of the combined platform just reminded me that basically every item on the list was a Bernie policy that Hillary fought against, then adopted, then claimed she's supported all along.

If Clinton hasn't chosen a conservative Democrat as a running mate, they would have convinced more people. If the DNC email scandal hadn't just happened, they would have convinced more people. If Clinton hadn't just hired Debbie Wassermann Schultz to her campaign, they would have convinced more people.

The DNC screwed themselves if they wanted the support of Bernie supporters, because you can't purposefully try to undermine a progressive grassroots campaign, lie about it, hire the person who was in charge or ultimately responsible for the undermining, and then turn around and say "oh, but do we still have your vote?"

As I said before in another thread, the Democrats had this election on a silver platter when Trump was nominated. All they had to do was avoid scandal, have a fair and democratic nomination process, and they would have sailed into the White House on a landslide. Instead, we got Clinton with her email excuses and lies, the DNC rigging the contest against a perfectly decent candidate, and a Democratic Party that doesn't even deserve to use the word "Democratic" in their name anymore.

That is politics. That is no different than when dems for a long time supported gays in secret but couldn't get elected if open politically. We can accuse ANY politician of ANY party of flipping on issues all we want, but the ultimate truth is THEY won't respond unless WE as voters put pressure on them, and that was the entire intent of Bernie, in spite of his loss, he still caused change and that change is not a one election tactic but a long term directional goal. 

You cant end 40 years of Reagan's failed deregulation in one election and pin your hopes on one person. Bitching about Hillary's flaws at this point is bulllshit as far as I am concerned. A Trump win will be Bush Jr on steroids and undo all the fixing Obama did on top of making it that much harder if he controls the SCOTUS nominations. 

These are the cards we've been dealt, we have no choice but to fight back no matter what. The world cannot afford Trump.

Good grief, who the fuck cares how many % the green party gets? How much revolutionary change to the US electoral system have the votes for Nader brought back in the day? They brought us many thousand dead soldiers and civilians from where I stand.

You are still stuck with the two-party system, so shut up, do your duty to humanity and vote for Hilary to prevent a egomanic idiot from taking the White House.