(July 29, 2016 at 6:35 pm)SavageJak Wrote: I think people have a hard time applying the same scepticism to government that they apply to religion.  Same kind of indoctrination.  In my opinion a true sceptical dissection of government naturally coverts one at least as far as libertarianism as hopefully to full Anarcho-Capitalism.  Just my view of course.

And people also clearly have a hard time applying that same skepticism to big business.

It always amazes me that people that are against the concentration of power in the government have no problem handing the reins over to the 1%.

A few things. Big business becomes big business with the help of government. Corporatism is not Capitalism

The argument "if we don't force everyone to play by our rules, everything will go crazy" sounds an awful lot like the arguments religions use. i.e. "if not for god and the bible to tell you how to be good, everyone will rape and murder" Just sayin.

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(July 23, 2016 at 12:18 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Are there any numbers regarding jobs lost to outsourcing vs. jobs lost to technological advancements?  A common refrain is "I'm going to bring manufacturing back!"  But, if that manufacturing is largely done by assembly lines of robots, then what?

Ultimately, it doesn't matter . None of those jobs are coming back because they cannot be done here by Americans as cheaply as they can be done overseas, not by a long margin.

Perhaps when the American standard of living crosses the Chinese (et la) standard of living as ours drops and theirs rises.

We have to adapt and do things that cheap foreign labor can't, because we simply cannot compete with them.

If somehow we managed to wrestle those jobs back, they'll be done here, by robots not Jane Sixpack.

The sooner Jane Sixpack realizes this the better off she will be.

(July 29, 2016 at 8:06 pm)SavageJak Wrote: The argument "if we don't force everyone to play by our rules, everything will go crazy" sounds an awful lot like the arguments religions use.  i.e. "if not for god and the bible to tell you how to be good, everyone will rape and murder"  Just sayin.

Yeah, just saying. You know what capitalism means, don't you? It means making money, as much as possible. Also, it was you choosing the word "Anarchy", wasn't it? You know what anarchy means, don't you?

No problem with the word on my part, since any force running unchecked will ultimately lead to anarchy. Whatever people can get away with they will do. And that's got nothing to do with religion but everything with human nature.

(July 29, 2016 at 8:28 pm)abaris Wrote:

(July 29, 2016 at 8:06 pm)SavageJak Wrote: The argument "if we don't force everyone to play by our rules, everything will go crazy" sounds an awful lot like the arguments religions use.  i.e. "if not for god and the bible to tell you how to be good, everyone will rape and murder"  Just sayin.

Yeah, just saying. You know what capitalism means, don't you? It means making money, as much as possible. Also, it was you choosing the word "Anarchy", wasn't it? You know what anarchy means, don't you?

No problem with the word on my part, since any force running unchecked will ultimately lead to anarchy. Whatever people can get away with they will do. And that's got nothing to do with religion but everything with human nature.

Capitalism- an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

Anarchy-a society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government



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(July 29, 2016 at 8:33 pm)SavageJak Wrote: Capitalism- an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

Anarchy-a society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

But you said - and I quote: Anarcho capitalism. So what is it?

(July 29, 2016 at 8:43 pm)abaris Wrote:

(July 29, 2016 at 8:33 pm)SavageJak Wrote: Capitalism- an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

Anarchy-a society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

But you said - and I quote: Anarcho capitalism. So what is it?

Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, free markets and voluntary transactions.

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(July 29, 2016 at 8:48 pm)SavageJak Wrote: Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, free markets and voluntary transactions.

And what social philosophy has ever worked? Are you not privy to human nature?

Also, you do know which pihilosophy originally promoted the elimination of the state, do you? The one you're constantly semi quoting and keep tap dancing around when being called out for it.

(July 29, 2016 at 8:52 pm)abaris Wrote:

(July 29, 2016 at 8:48 pm)SavageJak Wrote: Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty, private property, free markets and voluntary transactions.

And what social philosophy has ever worked? Are you not privy to human nature?

Also, you do know which pihilosophy originally promoted the elimination of the state, do you? The one you're constantly semi quoting and keep tap dancing around when being called out for it.

I was merely correcting your strawman definitions. I apologize if that was unclear. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make to be honest. Would you treat people differently if there was no central government? Would you start robbing or swindling people? Would you no longer feel accountable to anyone without "Big Brother" watching?

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(July 29, 2016 at 9:10 pm)SavageJak Wrote: I'm not sure what point you are trying to make to be honest.

My point is you explaining how you think this would work? What do you think the world would look like? I've given you my version. Now it's your turn. You have thought this through, I trust.

Oh, and my point is also that ultimate power is always questionable. Regardless if it's state, private enterprise, religion or any other given power. Still waiting for your explanation of your Utopia regardless.