(August 1, 2016 at 9:30 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(August 1, 2016 at 8:57 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Capital punishment, when carried out unjustly, is murder.

Of course, if you're going to defend you god's mass murders with the idea that he made the law, then you're simply asserting subjective morality.

You're still left with choosing between worshipping an evil god, or defending subjective morality.

Have at it!

ETA: I don't actually believe in gods, but am treating the bible as true for the sake of this conversation. And ... I didn't start this thread.

I asked for a specific example of God being unjust, you have yet to provide it.

How come abortions are okay when you are using them as a test of your wife's loyalty?

(August 1, 2016 at 9:30 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(August 1, 2016 at 8:57 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Capital punishment, when carried out unjustly, is murder.

Of course, if you're going to defend you god's mass murders with the idea that he made the law, then you're simply asserting subjective morality.

You're still left with choosing between worshipping an evil god, or defending subjective morality.

Have at it!

ETA: I don't actually believe in gods, but am treating the bible as true for the sake of this conversation. And ... I didn't start this thread.

I asked for a specific example of God being unjust, you have yet to provide it.

I'd call it pretty unjust to force a rape victim to marry her rapist.

(August 1, 2016 at 9:43 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(August 1, 2016 at 9:30 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I asked for a specific example of God being unjust, you have yet to provide it.

How come abortions are okay when you are using them as a test of your wife's loyalty?

who is the "you" referring to?

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(August 1, 2016 at 9:47 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(August 1, 2016 at 9:30 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I asked for a specific example of God being unjust, you have yet to provide it.

I'd call it pretty unjust to force a rape victim to marry her rapist.

First of all, women in ancient times didn't have a say in who they were married to, so by you definition most prearranged marriages were rapes.

As I stated before context is everything, what may hold true in modern society, may not work the same way in ancient society, a woman had no means to be a single mother, the role of the male was as a protector and provider, remember the story of Naomi and Ruth? after their husbands died, Naomi had to go seek the protection of a male relative named Boaz.

So essentially the law you're referring to is forcing the male to take care of his responsibilities.

(August 1, 2016 at 7:12 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: What Christians are saying is that God is sovereign, he has supreme authority over his creation. If you are pro-choice then you are essentially saying that a woman has sovereignty over her body and has the right to choose between the life and death of her unborn child (HER creation, in part) What gives her that right? Why is it wrong for God in one case and right for the woman in the other?

See the contradiction?

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There are many reasons women find themselves having to make a very difficult decision, I am not going to waste my time explaining them to you ....

But of cause in many situations safe sex, including condoms would be preferable, but often the church has a hand in that omission by their interference in sex education and banning condoms ....

But note in most cases women don't decide to create a life, just to destroy it .... that can't be said for your God ....

And also note that abortion is prior to the point of sentience .... that can't be said for your God ....

If your God can see all, why does it create life and often wait until its sentient before destroying it? what a sick bastard 

(August 1, 2016 at 9:30 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(August 1, 2016 at 8:57 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Capital punishment, when carried out unjustly, is murder.

Of course, if you're going to defend you god's mass murders with the idea that he made the law, then you're simply asserting subjective morality.

You're still left with choosing between worshipping an evil god, or defending subjective morality.

Have at it!

ETA: I don't actually believe in gods, but am treating the bible as true for the sake of this conversation. And ... I didn't start this thread.

I asked for a specific example of God being unjust, you have yet to provide it.

And I asked you whether you want to defend subjective morality or an evil god ... I'm still waiting.

(August 1, 2016 at 10:10 pm)madog Wrote: There are many reasons women find themselves having to make a very difficult decision, I am not going to waste my time explaining them to you ....

Give me Just one example of the "many reasons", and don't bring up rape / incest, those make up less than 1% of abortions.

(August 1, 2016 at 10:17 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(August 1, 2016 at 9:30 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I asked for a specific example of God being unjust, you have yet to provide it.

And I asked you whether you want to defend subjective morality or an evil god ... I'm still waiting.

So basically you don't have an answer.

If you can't provide a specific case of God being unjust, than you have no basis of accusing him of being evil in the first place... 

So when you're ready to finally provide what I asked, you just know show your accusations have no basis.

(August 1, 2016 at 10:19 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(August 1, 2016 at 10:10 pm)madog Wrote: There are many reasons women find themselves having to make a very difficult decision, I am not going to waste my time explaining them to you ....

Give me Just one example of the "many reasons", and don't bring up rape / incest, those make up less than 1% of abortions.

 
Are you cherry picking my post like you do the bible? you missed the second paragraph   

"But of cause in many situations safe sex, including condoms would be preferable, but often the church has a hand in that omission by their interference in sex education and banning condoms ...."

Do I need to explain what happens when a young girl is denied sex education and protection .... If you want I'll explain the birds and the bees.

Children dabbling at being grownup often shag you pillock 

But the main point of my post was:

"But note in most cases women don't decide to create a life, just to destroy it .... that can't be said for your God ....

And also note that abortion is prior to the point of sentience .... that can't be said for your God ....

If your God can see all, why does it create life and often wait until its sentient before destroying it? what a sick bastard"

Can you say your God does not purposefully create life knowing he will kill it when its sentient?

(August 1, 2016 at 10:09 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: who is the "you" referring to

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I am providing an example of Bible sanctioned abortion. Being Christian and pro-life, I'm just wondering how you feel about that.

Quote:First of all, women in ancient times didn't have a say in who they were married to, so by you definition most prearranged marriages were rapes.

As I stated before context is everything, what may hold true in modern society, may not work the same way in ancient society, a woman had no means to be a single mother, the role of the male was as a protector and provider, remember the story of Naomi and Ruth? after their husbands died, Naomi had to go seek the protection of a male relative named Boaz.

So essentially the law you're referring to is forcing the male to take care of his responsibilities.

You guys are like a broken record. Why couldn't God have afforded women the right to have a say in who they married? Why did God cultivate a patriarchal culture in the first place? I mean, since he was in charge of writing the Jews' moral (and ritual) laws and all...

Theoretical commandment God could have written but for some reason didn't think of it:

"Women are autonomous beings and shall be treated as such"

There is no context that justifies, because your omnipotent God is responsible for all of the context.

(August 1, 2016 at 10:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(August 1, 2016 at 10:17 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: And I asked you whether you want to defend subjective morality or an evil god ... I'm still waiting.

So basically you don't have an answer.

If you can't provide a specific case of God being unjust, than you have no basis of accusing him of being evil in the first place... 

So when you're ready to finally provide what I asked, you just know show your accusations have no basis.

I have a book full of answers.

I'm waiting to see if you've got the courtesy to stop ignoring my own question.

How you answer will determine the course of this conversation: Why do you overlook the contradiction between your God's evil acts and his moral demands?

You'll get your answer when I get mine.