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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 5, 2016 at 1:29 pm
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(August 5, 2016 at 10:52 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (August 5, 2016 at 12:21 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Yeah, none of that tells us that the Serpent fucked Eve. You'll need to actually throw down the words.
Also, citing yourself as a source for your own claims is laughably amateurish, entirely unconvincing, and causes me to fight my lesser nature, because after so doing you only deserve mockery, and lord knows that's a talent of mine. *emphasis mine*
Here's what you stated a few pages back.
(August 3, 2016 at 4:59 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I sure do wish you'd make up your mind. Also, it'd be nice if you quit shitposting Bible quotes and speak your own thoughts ... if you have any that haven't been programmed into you. You should be able to formulate your own thoughts in your own words to continue this discussion. *emphasis mine*
So which is it thump? Do you want me to post the scriptures or not?
What I want is for you to talk with me -- not linking your old posts from another conversation, not shitposting Bible passages ... but you and I, here, having a conversation. Now, if you've got a Bible verse claiming Eve Fucked the snake, post the chapter and verse. I know how to look these things up. Me, I don't think you've got one.
(August 5, 2016 at 10:52 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Put it this way, I have far more ammunition than you do, I've been more than cordial with you given our past history. If you want to try me (which you will), go ahead, but know that whatever happens you brought upon yourself.
lol, you're terrifying, Hugs. Simply terrifying.
Seriously, Huggy, don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
(August 5, 2016 at 10:52 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (August 5, 2016 at 12:21 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I'd suggest you think more and post less ... but I don't know that you're capable of either.
That the best you got?
It's a shame jumping to conclusions isn't an Olympic event -- you'd be a medalist.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 5, 2016 at 3:11 pm
(August 5, 2016 at 1:29 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (August 5, 2016 at 10:52 am)Huggy74 Wrote: *emphasis mine*
Here's what you stated a few pages back.
*emphasis mine*
So which is it thump? Do you want me to post the scriptures or not?
What I want is for you to talk with me -- not linking your old posts from another conversation, not shitposting Bible passages ... but you and I, here, having a conversation. Now, if you've got a Bible verse claiming Eve Fucked the snake, post the chapter and verse. I know how to look these things up. Me, I don't think you've got one.
*emphasis mine*
Here is your first clue.
Quote:Genesis 3
14And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The clearly states that the serpent had a seed (which Eve was already pregnant with).
Your second clue.
If you read the genealogy (which traces the bloodline of the firstborn male heir) of Adam, you'll notice that Cain (who WAS the firstborn) is not mentioned as Adams son.
Quote:Genesis 5
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Your third clue.
Quote:1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
*empasis mine*
You will never find anywhere in the bible where it states that Cain was Adams son, you guys just ASSUME it to be so.
(August 5, 2016 at 11:40 am)Nihilist Virus Wrote: So since Huggles won't respond despite issuing a challenge, we can all assume that he's fine with abortion now.
So quick to pat yourself on the back...
If you bother scrolling up you'd see my response was just above your last post.
(August 5, 2016 at 10:57 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (August 4, 2016 at 9:28 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote:
Numbers 5:11-31
What part is supposedly speaking of abortion? You know you can actually post the relevant scripture...
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 5, 2016 at 3:43 pm
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Way to turn one of the most profound and accurate stories in the bible into a mess of gibberish, Hugs.
Gen 4:1 NIV
Quote:Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man."
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 5, 2016 at 3:46 pm
(August 5, 2016 at 3:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Way to turn one of the most profound and accurate stories in the bible into a mess of gibberish, Hugs.
I'd go to Ken Ham for a biology tutorial before I'd turn to a fundamentalist for textual criticism (or simple reading comprehension) lessons.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 5, 2016 at 3:52 pm
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You're confusing fundies with loons. Even the fundies hear this shit and think "wtf?".
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 5, 2016 at 4:00 pm
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As far as I'm concerned, fundamentalists of whatever religious stripe are loons. But yeah, a few of them paid attention during their high school science classes, and some of them can read above a 4th grade level.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 5, 2016 at 4:27 pm
(August 5, 2016 at 3:11 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (August 5, 2016 at 11:40 am)Nihilist Virus Wrote: So since Huggles won't respond despite issuing a challenge, we can all assume that he's fine with abortion now.
So quick to pat yourself on the back...
If you bother scrolling up you'd see my response was just above your last post.
Sorry, I didn't consider this to be any kind of response:
"What part is supposedly speaking of abortion? You know you can actually post the relevant scripture..."
So basically you demand the book/chapter/verse of where the Bible discusses abortion, and then you ignore the passages I present. Or maybe you're going blind from excessive masturbation. Here, I'll post it in large font:
When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.
See Numbers 5:11-31 for context.
Jesus is like Pinocchio. He's the bastard son of a carpenter. And a liar. And he wishes he was real.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 5, 2016 at 4:28 pm
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(August 5, 2016 at 3:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Way to turn one of the most profound and accurate stories in the bible into a mess of gibberish, Hugs.
Gen 4:1 NIV
Quote:Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man."
So you deliberately take the scripture out of context?
here is the full context.
Quote:Genesis 4
4 Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.”
2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
Strange but true: Twins can have different fathers
Quote:We all know that siblings can have different fathers – technically making them half-siblings – but what about twins? Yup, it happens. In fact, one study estimates that as many as 1 in 400 sets of fraternal twins is "bipaternal."
How is it possible? Simple: Two eggs from the same mother get fertilized by two different fathers – within the same ovulation period.
also
Quote:1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
It doesn't get much clearer than that.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 5, 2016 at 4:35 pm
(August 5, 2016 at 4:28 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (August 5, 2016 at 3:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Way to turn one of the most profound and accurate stories in the bible into a mess of gibberish, Hugs.
Gen 4:1 NIV
So you deliberately take the scripture out of context?
here is the full context.
Quote:Genesis 4
4 Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.”
2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
Strange but true: Twins can have different fathers
Quote:We all know that siblings can have different fathers – technically making them half-siblings – but what about twins? Yup, it happens. In fact, one study estimates that as many as 1 in 400 sets of fraternal twins is "bipaternal."
How is it possible? Simple: Two eggs from the same mother get fertilized by two different fathers – within the same ovulation period.
also
Quote:1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
It doesn't get much clearer than that.
Biblical exegesis courtesy of Stretch Fucking Armstrong! So you take the word "later" and deduce it must mean Cain and Abel are twins? And then you cite a New Testament book as evidence of your nutty snake-daddy reading of Genesis? There just aren't enough face palms in the world for this.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 5, 2016 at 5:21 pm
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(August 5, 2016 at 4:27 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: (August 5, 2016 at 3:11 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So quick to pat yourself on the back...
If you bother scrolling up you'd see my response was just above your last post.
Sorry, I didn't consider this to be any kind of response:
"What part is supposedly speaking of abortion? You know you can actually post the relevant scripture..."
So basically you demand the book/chapter/verse of where the Bible discusses abortion, and then you ignore the passages I present. Or maybe you're going blind from excessive masturbation. Here, I'll post it in large font:
When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse.
See Numbers 5:11-31 for context.
Quote:Numbers 5
27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
What did I tell you guys about the NIV? You do realize that it subtracts whole scriptures, and adds words that are not found in the KJV, which is translated directly from Hebrew and Greek.
Just do a google search of NIV mistranslations
https://isthatinthebible.wordpress.com/a...rsion-niv/
Quote:The New International Version of the Bible, or NIV, was first published in 1978. Since then, it has become one of the most popular English Bible translations, and almost certainly the most popular one among Evangelical Christians. It is also one of the worst translations for anyone who is seriously interested in what the Bible says.
(August 5, 2016 at 4:35 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: (August 5, 2016 at 4:28 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So you deliberately take the scripture out of context?
here is the full context.
Strange but true: Twins can have different fathers
also
It doesn't get much clearer than that.
Biblical exegesis courtesy of Stretch Fucking Armstrong! So you take the word "later" and deduce it must mean Cain and Abel are twins?
I never said they were twins at all, I just showed where a woman can be impregnated by two different men. Adam clearly made love to his wife one time and Cain is born, and somehow mysteriously a second child appears later as you so eloquently put it, use your brain.
(August 5, 2016 at 4:35 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: And then you cite a New Testament book as evidence of your nutty snake-daddy reading of Genesis? There just aren't enough face palms in the world for this.
Last time I looked, the Bible includes both the old and new testaments... strange how you approve of cherry picking when it suits you.
(June 21, 2016 at 2:39 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Don't be ungenerous, vorlon. They cherry pick because of -- what's that learned word? -- exejesus . . . exegenesis . . . exegesis . . . something like that. Remember, it's not intellectually dishonest if there's some sort of Greek-based word for it. They're scholars! Just ask them.
(November 4, 2014 at 1:19 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Conservatives cherry pick the Reagan years like fundamentalists cherry pick the Bible. 
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