(August 9, 2016 at 6:10 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: My view regarding incest is, I don't care about it as long as its between adults and they don't have kids.

'Cause yuk and ew is not an argument. It's a reaction. And we don't run society on those.

It's wrong because you're never supposed to have sex with your own children no matter what age they are.

You're supposed to raise them in a loving but none sexual way even when it's no longer a matter of it being paedophilia.

This is just my own moral outlook, I'm not arguing any legal consistencies.

I see it as a breech of trust and failed parenting on the biological parents behalf.

(August 10, 2016 at 3:47 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(August 9, 2016 at 6:10 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: My view regarding incest is, I don't care about it as long as its between adults and they don't have kids.

'Cause yuk and ew is not an argument. It's a reaction. And we don't run society on those.

It's wrong because you're never supposed to have sex with your own children no matter what age they are.

You're supposed to raise them in a loving but none sexual way even when it's no longer a matter of it being paedophilia.

This is just my own moral outlook, I'm not arguing any legal consistencies.

I see it as a breech of trust and failed parenting on the biological parents behalf.

I might disagree with you on the moral question, but I'm glad you can separate your moral reaction from the legality question - many folks aren't able to do that.

"Luke, I am your Father... and your Brother!"

I'll grab my coat.

I don't think incest being illegal is really the main deterrent to mother-fucking. Doesn't really matter whether or not it's illegal.

(August 10, 2016 at 3:21 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:

(August 10, 2016 at 3:05 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: There are plenty of non-related couples who have high risks of certain birth defects as well, just by the nature of their genes and how they match up.  We don't make laws against them having kids.

The risk of genetic defects multiplies massively when both partners have similar genetic profiles. Guess when that happens? Yes, when both sexual partners are closely related, even more so when the relation is in the first degree (parent and child or brother and sister). The fact of the matter is that incest does make it far more likely that children of such a union will have genetic defects that will either make their lives harder or kill them than would normally be the case for children of unrelated persons (unrelated to a reasonable degree, you're not going to get two people who don't share a common ancestor somewhere).

Can you support this with hard data in the form of numbers? If you're going to say "far more likely", I'd like to see percentages, myself.

(August 10, 2016 at 3:47 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(August 9, 2016 at 6:10 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: My view regarding incest is, I don't care about it as long as its between adults and they don't have kids.

'Cause yuk and ew is not an argument. It's a reaction. And we don't run society on those.

It's wrong because you're never supposed to have sex with your own children no matter what age they are.

You're supposed to raise them in a loving but none sexual way even when it's no longer a matter of it being paedophilia.

This is just my own moral outlook, I'm not arguing any legal consistencies.

I see it as a breech of trust and failed parenting on the biological parents behalf.

I get that. But it is still just the "eww" argument, restated in dignified language.

(August 10, 2016 at 3:55 pm)LastPoet Wrote: I'll grab my raincoat.

FTFY

(August 10, 2016 at 4:22 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(August 10, 2016 at 3:21 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: The risk of genetic defects multiplies massively when both partners have similar genetic profiles. Guess when that happens? Yes, when both sexual partners are closely related, even more so when the relation is in the first degree (parent and child or brother and sister). The fact of the matter is that incest does make it far more likely that children of such a union will have genetic defects that will either make their lives harder or kill them than would normally be the case for children of unrelated persons (unrelated to a reasonable degree, you're not going to get two people who don't share a common ancestor somewhere).

Can you support this with hard data in the form of numbers? If you're going to say "far more likely", I'd like to see percentages, myself.

I was scanning some studies and for it to be a real problem you need a sizable population to be engaged in inbreeding, not just individuals. At which point it does become a huge problem. Look at the European nobility and hemophilia and a number of other disorders they had. It could be a justification of that law, it's not hard to imagine a religious community that maintains inbreeding as a practice, considering all the small Christian (and other) cults that have had strange sexual practices in the US. A group of 100 starts inbreeding legally on a religious basis, and you are going to have children with defects. Without an inbreeding law, such communities would be legal. I don't think the legality of inbreeding real has much of an effect on people who want to fuck their siblings, parents or children on an individual level anyway.

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