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Minds and Events
#11
RE: Minds and Events
Nah.
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#12
RE: Minds and Events
(August 14, 2016 at 4:20 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I feel like a lot of dumbfuckery could be cured with a course in formal logic.

Perhaps.

But my gut is telling me that this is the kind of stupid you can't fix.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#13
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(August 14, 2016 at 4:29 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(August 14, 2016 at 4:20 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I feel like a lot of dumbfuckery could be cured with a course in formal logic.

Perhaps.

But my gut is telling me that this is the kind of stupid you can't fix.

And your gut is probably right.
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#14
RE: Minds and Events
(August 14, 2016 at 4:29 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(August 14, 2016 at 4:20 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I feel like a lot of dumbfuckery could be cured with a course in formal logic.

Perhaps.

But my gut is telling me that this is the kind of stupid you can't fix.

Educate one generation well enough and the rest will follow.
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#15
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(August 14, 2016 at 1:19 pm)fdesilva Wrote: <snip>

If you want to prove god, I'd suggest dropping the pointless wankering you engaged in upthread, and start looking for evidence which supports your hypothesis.

Once you've that evidence, test it, test it again, give it to a panel of scientists to test, test it yet again and when you've finally ran out of tests to do on it, write up a paper and get it published in a journal.
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#16
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(August 14, 2016 at 1:19 pm)fdesilva Wrote: Category 1: Minds

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So then given that the mind can create events then the big bang (The Event) could have originated from The Mind in order to evoke feelings in other minds.


I see.  You've written or copied some stuff alright.  Wonder what you'd like done about this.  Do you have a position you'd like to share?  Are you looking for someone to respond to any of this?  

But as others have hinted, we need to know more about you.  Are you a religious person?  Are you here on a lark?  Do your parents know you visit atheist sites?  An intro thread might help motivate some of us to give enough of a fuck to respond to you.
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#17
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(August 14, 2016 at 4:54 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Are you a religious person?

Catlick as per his forum bio.
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#18
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@OP: Please don't paste stuff from Word or other programs.  It makes it very hard to quote your post.

"I exist and I am a mind. Therefore, Minds exist."
-This is already a false conclusion.  The correct conclusion is "At least one mind exists. . . mine."

"I have feelings. These feelings originate from sensors in what I call my body. "
-You are confusing observations with conclusions.

"My body needs space and matter in general needs space. Matter can exist only in space. Therefore, space must exist."
-. . . and now the non sequitur of the previous statement propagates into a world view.  You have gone from "what I call my body" to "my body," jumping from a label for experience to an accepted fact about reality.  You might not even be wrong, but your way of establishing a philosophical foundation isn't working.

"My body needs time to change and matter in general needs time for change. Matter can change only in time. Therefore, time must exist."
-So far, literally every point you've made except the first is non sequitur.  You haven't showed how you've gone beyond the solipsist position that you started with.  Basically, you've said, "I think a bunch of stuff. . . so all this other stuff must be factually true."
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#19
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So basically: I think, therefore I think I think is about as robust as it can get...

I personally think I'm a brain in a vat. Doesn't mean I really really am. What if I'm a virtual brain in a virtual vat in a virtual sim............. floating on a big turtle somewhere? Cool!

note to self: don't forget the milk...
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#20
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It's almost like someone made a clone of Randy and Rik and then made it huff paint during its formative years.
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