(August 14, 2016 at 6:24 pm)Expired Wrote: The sudden disappearance of all cancers. Or an enormous foot sticking out of the clouds.

Lo!  Beholdeth ye the Lord!



Boru

I believe that even if you KNEW what God was, you wouldn't know if you were looking at it or not.

Burning bush? Maybe a trick.
Walking on water? Magic powers are not God, either.
Destroying galaxies? Super technology!

Oh there are tons of things that I would accept, the most obvious being God appearing. Perhaps him giving a morning weather report to the whole earth or something like that. Evidence for God should be as obvious as evidence for lizards. I have the same standard of evidence for God as for anything else.

(August 14, 2016 at 9:05 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Oh there are tons of things that I would accept, the most obvious being God appearing. Perhaps him giving a morning weather report to the whole earth or something like that. Evidence for God should be as obvious as evidence for lizards. I have the same standard of evidence for God as for anything else.

I don't know how to respond to this without being an asshole. Be thankful I'm still drunk, I guess, 'cause that is just ..........

Evidence for God would look an awful lot like conditioned, faith-based and societally nurtured hunches. That is pretty much what we see through here I think.

(August 14, 2016 at 9:05 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Evidence for God should be as obvious as evidence for lizards.

^This^

My point is, there couldn't possibly be any evidence for a creating God. And anyone who isn't trying to be obstinate about it would admit it as well.

You mean Evidence? I was thinking of what it is that actually persuades people.

(August 14, 2016 at 9:26 pm)Whateverist Wrote: You mean Evidence?  I was thinking of what it is that actually persuades people.

I mean actual physical evidence of any kind, that scientists could work with.

How could there in a million years...???

(August 14, 2016 at 5:14 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: My argument goes like this. If there's a God that created the Universe(the Universe being everything in existence) then this God is either a part of the Universe or the Universe itself. It can't be merely a part of it, since it created it, so it must be the Universe itself. But then, there's no use calling it God. You might as well do away with the shady language and call it what it is. Nature, Universe, Cosmos. Whatever your secular preference.

Thoughts?

The dominating aspect of universal existence is space itself, occupied by and extremely small amount of mass found in a regular basic pattern: The Atom.  Even that is mostly space.

"God" could be an extant infinite substance (absolute matter) that moved to make the space of the universe. Which in equal/opposite reaction flung an extremely small amount of itself into motion and form within the universe.

The consciousness of God would be the energetic movement that an extant infinite supports as a vibrational body with no border.

"God in the Highest" remains outside relative space time.