(August 16, 2016 at 7:14 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Abris please cut me some slack here. 

Sam is hardly a snake oil salesman. Trump is, Pat Roberson is sure. Now you assume that everyone already knows that is flat out crap. I can tell you and not just with Sam, but with Hitchens and Dawkins and Stenger, that before reading all those works, I didn't know shit. 

I'm willing to cut you some slack. But Harris didn't provide a single line, a single word even that I didn't come up with using my own reasoning. I'm not familar with Hitchens, since I didn't read or follow any of his work, and I do appreciate Dawkins for his humor. But in general, I never needed any of them to arrive where I am. When I hear them now it's always, well why are you telling me this? I cut Dawkins more slack than the others, because of his humour. I cut Harris - still not Sam - less slack because of his political positions and because of him taking himself too seriously.

(August 16, 2016 at 6:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote: That is not the point. You first off admitted he did "channel" and I agree he did. The problem is Trump isn't some no name who doesn't influence people. He isn't the mentally ill guy on the street corner everyone walks by who screams they are Napoleon. 

If you agree he is "channeling" and I do too, the same ideas, how the fuck does that make him harmless? It isn't that Trump even wants to be a despot, I simply think he spent his life being told "a loser is a loser" and anything less made a looser unworthy. He mimics the same cheap "tough guy" act because it works, just like it did for Hitler.

I love that you argue with things people never say. It's as if you have voices in your head that are arguing you with too as you try to argue with me.

I never said he was harmless(that's your voices again), but comparing the two as if they're equals just shows a complete lack of understanding of how Hitler came power and the methods he used, and then you double down on that lack of understanding by claiming the "tough guy" act worked for Hitler. Not only is that such an asinine comment, it doesn't even remotely come close to describing how Hitler seized power.

You're just so desperate to use whatever hyperbole you can to discredit Trump, but that is futile considering no one can discredit Trump like Trump can.

(August 16, 2016 at 7:17 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Harris was pretty much the one that began the whole new atheist movement, by the way. A lot of people seem to not know/aknowledge that amazing fact.

Begs the question what's amazing about this? That we - and a use that word very losely - finally have our missionaries? It's one of the reasons why I don't like him because I don't care for missionaries of any colour.

(August 16, 2016 at 7:18 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: One must be an idiot to do the same thing and reach any other conclusion. His positions are well thought out and he's very rational. You'd be hard pressed to prove anything he says wrong or invalid. But a lot of people think otherwise out of stupidity.

Whatever rocks your boat, says the idiot who doesn't hero worship Harris for the very ground he walks on.

(August 16, 2016 at 7:17 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Harris was pretty much the one that began the whole new atheist movement, by the way. A lot of people seem to not know/aknowledge that amazing fact.

Meh, no , the little knowns like Infidel Guy and The Atheists of Austin set them all up. But even prior to that you had James A Haught and Sagan and Madalyn Murray O'Hair. I knew about Dawkins and James A Haught prior to Harris.

Funny you should mention Sagan who has denied being an atheist. Just shows what you know...

Well, ok, I'll stop here. I don't want to embarass anyone or anything of the sort. You guys think what you want. I'm just a bit sorry for you, that's all.

(August 16, 2016 at 7:42 pm)abaris Wrote:

(August 16, 2016 at 7:17 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Harris was pretty much the one that began the whole new atheist movement, by the way. A lot of people seem to not know/aknowledge that amazing fact.

Begs the question what's amazing about this? That we - and a use that word very losely - finally have our missionaries? It's one of the reasons why I don't like him because I don't care for missionaries of any colour.

(August 16, 2016 at 7:18 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: One must be an idiot to do the same thing and reach any other conclusion. His positions are well thought out and he's very rational. You'd be hard pressed to prove anything he says wrong or invalid. But a lot of people think otherwise out of stupidity.

Whatever rocks your boat, says the idiot who doesn't hero worship Harris for the very ground he walks on.

You're scared to actually argue anything. You constantly deviate until you can walk on your own firm ground and then pretend you won the original debate as well. I can't talk to you when you do that. I just can't.

(August 16, 2016 at 8:09 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: You're scared to actually argue anything. You constantly deviate until you can walk on your own firm ground and then pretend you won the original debate as well. I can't talk to you when you do that. I just can't.

No, I'm not scared. You're constantly in the habit of beating the dead horse in every thread. You're a hero worshipper, since you obviously need heroes to confirm what you call an identity. And when someone doesn't agree with your point of view, you resort to insults, ad hominems or simply fail to appreciate that all your questions have already been answered. Yeah, that's you in a nutshell.

So keep on kissing some Harris ass if it makes you feel better or if it helps you to find something like an identity. I asked you what's amazing about an atheist movement whatever that is when it's at home. Your reply was the actual deviation. Zilch, Zero, Nothing, other than a personal attack.

(August 16, 2016 at 8:16 pm)abaris Wrote:

(August 16, 2016 at 8:09 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: You're scared to actually argue anything. You constantly deviate until you can walk on your own firm ground and then pretend you won the original debate as well. I can't talk to you when you do that. I just can't.

No, I'm not scared. You're constantly in the habit of beating the dead horse in every thread. You're a hero worshipper, since you obviously need heroes to confirm what you call an identity. And when someone doesn't agree with your point of view, you resort to insults, ad hominems or simply fail to appreciate that all your questions have already been answered. Yeah, that's you in a nutshell.

So keep on kissing some Harris ass if it makes you feel better or if it helps you to find something like an identity. I asked you what's amazing about an atheist movement whatever that is when it's at home. Your reply was the actual deviation. Zilch, Zero, Nothing, other than a personal attack.

I'm honest when I say I don't care enough to even show you why you're wrong. So I'm just feeding your crazy here by posting lazily. You're doing it to yourself and it's not worth making the effort to try and change your mind about anything.

(August 16, 2016 at 8:19 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I'm honest when I say I don't care enough to even show you why you're wrong. So I'm just feeding your crazy here by posting lazily. You're doing it to yourself and it's not worth making the effort to try and change your mind about anything.

Let's just say the feeling is mutual. But don't come crying and whining again over how misunderstood and good at heart you actually are. And I'm honest about it too.

(August 16, 2016 at 8:22 pm)abaris Wrote:

(August 16, 2016 at 8:19 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I'm honest when I say I don't care enough to even show you why you're wrong. So I'm just feeding your crazy here by posting lazily. You're doing it to yourself and it's not worth making the effort to try and change your mind about anything.

Let's just say the feeling is mutual. But don't come crying and whining again over how misunderstood and good at heart you actually are. And I'm honest about it too.

No, you're not. You're just copying me. If you honestly believe what you do regarding Harris and his views that tells me all I need to know about your actual intelligence. As does the fact that you constantly call me a fan boy, or a hero worshipper. That's just fucking sad, really.