(August 19, 2016 at 9:05 pm)fdesilva Wrote:

(August 19, 2016 at 8:46 pm)Whateverist Wrote: There is quite a lot which a fully formed (and brought to term) human infant cannot do at birth, both mentally and physically.  It seems wrong to say from inception, a human knows "most perfectly well ones own consciousness and it(s) associated experiences."  What exactly do you have in mind by "inception"?  Is this the moment the sperm and egg get together, or what?  If you're defining it as the moment consciousness kicks in then your statement becomes true by definition.

Also, why do you obsess about such things?  You're just spouting what you believe in as authoritative manner as you can muster.  This doesn't accomplish anything unless you're trying to do God's good work unto us which we to a man find annoying as hell.

Inception of consciousness

Conception of syphillis

Copy pasta, copy pasta. No original thought on his own.

(August 19, 2016 at 9:05 pm)fdesilva Wrote:

(August 19, 2016 at 8:46 pm)Whateverist Wrote: There is quite a lot which a fully formed (and brought to term) human infant cannot do at birth, both mentally and physically.  It seems wrong to say from inception, a human knows "most perfectly well ones own consciousness and it(s) associated experiences."  What exactly do you have in mind by "inception"?  Is this the moment the sperm and egg get together, or what?  If you're defining it as the moment consciousness kicks in then your statement becomes true by definition.

Also, why do you obsess about such things?  You're just spouting what you believe in as authoritative manner as you can muster.  This doesn't accomplish anything unless you're trying to do God's good work unto us which we to a man find annoying as hell.

Inception of consciousness

But then doesn't 

Quote:From the very inception of ones own consciousness, a human knows most perfectly well ones own consciousness and it associated experiences.

just say, "from the very beginning of consciousness, there is consciousness"?[

I'm not sure my experience of consciousness is quite "perfect" every day even now, let alone from the instant the switch came on.  We are conscious of something, but whether we "know perfectly well our own consciousness" is a different matter entirely.  A baby has a very hard time knowing where they end and the rest of the world starts.  I don't think the totality of ones consciousness is ever completely in view or "perfectly well known".  What is fantasy, what is real.  What is a genuine memory, what is a confabulation.  We are not regularly transparent to ourselves.

(August 19, 2016 at 9:17 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(August 19, 2016 at 9:05 pm)fdesilva Wrote: Inception of consciousness

But then doesn't 

Quote:From the very inception of ones own consciousness, a human knows most perfectly well ones own consciousness and it associated experiences.

just say, "from the very beginning of consciousness, there is consciousness"?[

I'm not sure my experience of consciousness is quite "perfect" every day even now, let alone from the instant the switch came on.  We are conscious of something, but whether we "know perfectly well our own consciousness" is a different matter entirely.  A baby has a very hard time knowing where they end and the rest of the world starts.  I don't think the totality of ones consciousness is ever completely in view or "perfectly well known".  What is fantasy, what is real.  What is a genuine memory, what is a confabulation.  We are not regularly transparent to ourselves.

I using the term know as in I know my mother, or I know food , that is recognise. Since you can only know what's dished out to you via your consciousness, you must know the experience of consciousness as a part and parcel of every bit of knowledge

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(August 19, 2016 at 8:40 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

Ignorence is bliss, I know the feeling

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(August 19, 2016 at 8:39 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Cliff notes version please.

There are many theories of consciousness, that don't seem to address the essence of it

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(August 19, 2016 at 9:00 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Boru

Healthy food for a healthy mind

(August 19, 2016 at 8:09 pm)fdesilva Wrote: From the very inception of ones own consciousness, a human knows most perfectly well ones own consciousness and it associated experiences.
All its (humans) interactions with the universe is via its consciousness.[...]

LOL... What? No - none of that seems true. Have you got any evidence to justify those bold assertions, which you seem to be taking for granted? Can you even define some of the terms you're using? No, I didn't think so...

What does it mean to "know most perfectly well one's own consciousness and its associated experiences"? Most people seem to know next to nothing about the mechanics of their psychology and the "associated experiences" vary from person to person, depending on - guess what? - the experiences they've had.

What is "very inception of one's own consciousness"? Is that birth? Some time before that? Some time later? What?
Are you trying to say that humans are born with intimate knowledge of their thinking processes and don't have to consciously learn about them? LOL - that's idiotic and demonstrably untrue. Where did you copy this horsesh*t from?

Also - not all humans' interactions with their environment are conducted through consciousness. Sub-conscious is the best example, but also all sorts of involuntary mechanisms our brains employ in order to control our bodies and react to external stimuli. When your fingers are burned by a flame - do you consciously take your hand away, or does it jut happen, often very violently, before you even know what's going on?

If you don't mind, I'm going to skip the rest of your efforts, until you're able to address the numerous problems with just the first few sentences of your post.

(August 19, 2016 at 8:12 pm)Jesster Wrote:

Thanks for trying

(August 19, 2016 at 10:25 pm)fdesilva Wrote:

(August 19, 2016 at 8:12 pm)Jesster Wrote:

Thanks for trying

Lol. You've given up. Wonderful!

(August 19, 2016 at 8:59 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: You're STILL here???

You're welcome

(August 19, 2016 at 10:29 pm)fdesilva Wrote:

(August 19, 2016 at 8:59 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: You're STILL here???

You're welcome

I didn't say "thank you". [emoji848]

(August 19, 2016 at 10:27 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(August 19, 2016 at 10:25 pm)fdesilva Wrote: Thanks for trying

Lol. You've given up. Wonderful!

Freedom of thought