(May 15, 2011 at 4:05 pm)Whirling Moat Wrote: Peace....

Quote:Nobody lives in Asgard. You answered a question nobody asked. Are you simply in love with your own words or have the meds stopped working?

Yeah..because Asgard doesn't exist. But the Universe exists and requires a Creator in order to make sense.



Whirling Moat

You worship one more god than I do. You are atheistic about one less god than I am. Either way, you still don't have a grasp on reality. Asgard is as real as your Heaven, i.e., not at all.

nvm.. I realized I don't care enough... about this anymore...

I mean really.. We need to placate the masses with myths...?? How condescending.. Only a religious person would view "people" so callously.. Honestly, the thought of enlightening them and providing equity is too great a task for the religious mind.. so it just resorts to force or manipulation when it is unable to figure out how to influence in a peaceful way... just like the God they serve

(May 15, 2011 at 9:51 am)Whirling Moat Wrote: No...I choose empowering the poor and uneducated. However that would be truly magical considering that the money would have to come from somewhere and the United States is facing an imminent Civil War due to the priviledged classes stance against being forced to help with the cost of ensuring that poor people can do things like go to the hospital and put food on the table . How do you think a Bill proposing universal education would go over?

No, you do not choose to empower the poor and uneducated. You want to give them the tools to deal with being poor and uneducated. How is that empowering? That is merely ensuring they stay poor and uneducated. And saying a universal education bill would be neccessary is a strawman argument. We just need to fix the state of the existing education system and stop the attack on teacher's rights and benefits.

(May 15, 2011 at 9:51 am)Whirling Moat Wrote: I have already stated very clearly that every atheist I have known personally behaved morally consistent with the norms of the culture.

Behaviour which is considered morally correct is very much relative to the Ethos of the civilization or social condition of the time and locale. Groups don't tend to break down into clusters of law abiding and criminal neatly along religious lines. They break down consistent with other factors like income, education and class. If the morality of atheists in some biological imperative you would find a consistent atheist morality extending unaltered throughout time and geographic location. A chinese atheist of 3rd century BCE should espouse the same moral stance as a Bengali of the 20th century and both should be consistent with an atheist living in New York today.

If morals are cultural why would you expect atheists of entirely different time and place to behave the same?

(May 15, 2011 at 9:51 am)Whirling Moat Wrote: Well there aren't enough jobs for everyone even if they were educated and there are still the other isms to deal with.......

Then let's help create jobs, not further the poverty by teaching them to be happy that way.

(May 15, 2011 at 9:51 am)Whirling Moat Wrote: However, lets say that everyone was Free, received the same Justice as their neighbor, had adequate resources , and had Equal opportunity and education...yeah..You wouldn't need Religion at all..I think the Great Morgan Freeman/Gandalf/Dumbledore/ Sky Daddy would be happy with that.

And here you jump to another topic and assume there is some higher power to be unhappy with us. Plus, you seem to be arguing that we need uneducated people around to keep religion around and make the sky daddy happy.

I think that a poor, uneducated, and unintelligent person that believed there was a God there to forgive their trespasses and grant them access to the great orgasm in the sky, no matter how much time they spent in prison, is much more dangerous than a poor, uneducated, and unintelligent person that believes that this life is the only one they will ever experience. The former wouldn't see any real reason to value thier decisions here because it is the eternal afterlife that matters most. The latter would be more apt to be risk averse and treasure what little time they had to experience the universe with their one small life.

The day everyone is a atheist is the day when people realise that everyone is a bisexual

I'm not bisexual, not even a little.

(May 15, 2011 at 9:09 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: I'm not bisexual, not even a little.

Only about 5% can truly say they are either straight or gay the rest is in shades in between

(May 15, 2011 at 9:19 pm)Ashendant Wrote:

(May 15, 2011 at 9:09 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: I'm not bisexual, not even a little.

Only about 5% can truly say they are either straight or gay the rest is in shades in between

Never been the least interested in a male.

(May 15, 2011 at 9:19 pm)Ashendant Wrote:

(May 15, 2011 at 9:09 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: I'm not bisexual, not even a little.

Only about 5% can truly say they are either straight or gay the rest is in shades in between

Cite your source please. I think you are full of shit.

(May 13, 2011 at 10:40 am)tackattack Wrote: @Eudaimonia - can you statsically back that up? maybe it would be better if you said. Those that blindly accept their dogma, or those that never question their faith and lose it.
I was a part of the generally accepting and not thinking group, which is why I became an atheist eventually. That method is not however is not why I have chosen to be a theist now. But you can say it how you want, it's your opinion.

Just now seeing this..


The above would be accurate but I also believe that the majority of believers do not think critically about their beliefs.. I do not know of any major traditions that routinely ask atheistic questions of their faith, at least it is not part of the culture...

It seems to bear out that this is the case when we see tv evangelists rake in millions of dollars.. or all of the money to palm readers and psychics and the like.. It is because the general theistic public is non critical...

Most people are born into theistic tradition and have no real reason to reject it , critically and sincerely analyze it then re-accept it.. I find that a rarity..