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RE: Donald, like Hilary, has taken millsions from Saudi
September 6, 2016 at 3:53 pm
(September 6, 2016 at 1:23 pm)JuliaL Wrote: "“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.” Douglas Adams- Restaurant at the End of the Universe
That's some catch, that catch 22.
Joseph Heller- Catch 22
For 2200 years, China tested its bureaucrats.
We have some high school popularity contest judged by an ignorant student body of, at best, average intelligence.
It sucks but it's what we've got.
Sure she's a crook.
But he's a nut.
No, Nixon was a crook, Reagan was a crook. At best Hillary is a jaywalker. Now, again, I really don't want to hear shit about her because the same bullshit scare tactics were aimed at Obama for the past 8 years. And even prior to that the GOP has sold the same cold war bullshit slurs about all of the left on every issue. As a party, as voters, we are still on the right side of history. The parties flipped since the 60s and the GOP has been wrong ever since.
RE: Donald, like Hilary, has taken millsions from Saudi
September 7, 2016 at 2:01 am
(September 6, 2016 at 3:53 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(September 6, 2016 at 1:23 pm)JuliaL Wrote:
"“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.” Douglas Adams- Restaurant at the End of the Universe
That's some catch, that catch 22.
Joseph Heller- Catch 22
For 2200 years, China tested its bureaucrats.
We have some high school popularity contest judged by an ignorant student body of, at best, average intelligence.
It sucks but it's what we've got.
Sure she's a crook.
But he's a nut.
No, Nixon was a crook, Reagan was a crook. At best Hillary is a jaywalker. Now, again, I really don't want to hear shit about her because the same bullshit scare tactics were aimed at Obama for the past 8 years. And even prior to that the GOP has sold the same cold war bullshit slurs about all of the left on every issue. As a party, as voters, we are still on the right side of history. The parties flipped since the 60s and the GOP has been wrong ever since.
No, she's a crook.
I don't care if you call it grift, graft, fraud or corruption, but there is nothing she could say in an hour's speech that would be worth thirteen years (of one shift) minimum wage labor.
Just because you can't see the quid pro quo with enough detail to sustain a prosecution, doesn't mean it isn't there.
Our (corrupt) system faces us with a limited selection of candidates so we're stuck with a choice between a crook and a nut. At least the crook shows self interest which is important in a world with MAD.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
First of all, Saudi is in an arms race with Iran, and secondly, as evidenced in the Yemen and Syria, they are not using those weapons for self defence only. The Obama Administration has sold more weapons to Saudi than any other president. The law allows even just a single Senator to force a vote on any arms exports as Rand Paul explains in the below video when her delayed the sale of aircraft to Pakistan: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VctKVNb49xk
RE: Donald, like Hilary, has taken millsions from Saudi
September 7, 2016 at 5:56 am
(September 6, 2016 at 3:47 pm)ReptilianPeon Wrote: First of all, China didn't train terrorists to fly airliners into buildings. Saudi did.
No one trained them to fly into buildings. Americans trained them to fly (without bothering to learn to land!), and one branch of Islam indoctrinated them to think that their actions were justifiable.
Saudi Arabia did not train these guys to do anything.
RE: Donald, like Hilary, has taken millsions from Saudi
September 7, 2016 at 6:12 am
(September 7, 2016 at 5:56 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(September 6, 2016 at 3:47 pm)ReptilianPeon Wrote: First of all, China didn't train terrorists to fly airliners into buildings. Saudi did.
No one trained them to fly into buildings. Americans trained them to fly (without bothering to learn to land!), and one branch of Islam indoctrinated them to think that their actions were justifiable.
Saudi Arabia did not train these guys to do anything.
Maybe train is the wrong word. But Saudi did at least provide support, even if it didn't given them flying lessons. Fifteen of the nineteen men are/were Saudi and there is a connection to Saudi. The IB Times reports: http://www.ibtimes.com/911-link-saudi-ar...se-1501202
Quote:A multitude of sources tell IBTimes, and numerous press reports over the years in Newsweek, the New York Times, CBS News and other media confirm, that the 28 pages in fact clearly portray that the Saudi government had at the very least an indirect role in supporting the terrorists responsible for the 9/11 attack. In addition, these classified pages clarify somewhat the links between the hijackers and at least one Saudi government worker living in San Diego.
RE: Donald, like Hilary, has taken millsions from Saudi
September 7, 2016 at 9:09 am
(September 6, 2016 at 3:53 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(September 6, 2016 at 1:23 pm)JuliaL Wrote: "“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.” Douglas Adams- Restaurant at the End of the Universe
That's some catch, that catch 22.
Joseph Heller- Catch 22
For 2200 years, China tested its bureaucrats.
We have some high school popularity contest judged by an ignorant student body of, at best, average intelligence.
It sucks but it's what we've got.
Sure she's a crook.
But he's a nut.
No, Nixon was a crook, Reagan was a crook. At best Hillary is a jaywalker. Now, again, I really don't want to hear shit about her because the same bullshit scare tactics were aimed at Obama for the past 8 years. And even prior to that the GOP has sold the same cold war bullshit slurs about all of the left on every issue. As a party, as voters, we are still on the right side of history. The parties flipped since the 60s and the GOP has been wrong ever since.
WOW..
I have never seen anyone in full on denial boarder line delusional before over a canidate. You simply refuse to hear anything bad about your champion!
This Clinton is NOTHING like Obama, Bush, or anyone who came before, as no one has sold access to the US Government on the scale she has.
If you want to vote for Hilary fine, but know your going to have to let go the 'moral high road' to do it. By November if your voting for Hillary you are doing so our fanatical loyalty to the party, not because she is even the lessor of two evils.
RE: Donald, like Hilary, has taken millsions from Saudi
September 7, 2016 at 12:38 pm
(September 7, 2016 at 6:12 am)ReptilianPeon Wrote: Maybe train is the wrong word. But Saudi did at least provide support, even if it didn't given them flying lessons. Fifteen of the nineteen men are/were Saudi and there is a connection to Saudi. The IB Times reports: http://www.ibtimes.com/911-link-saudi-ar...se-1501202
Quote:A multitude of sources tell IBTimes, and numerous press reports over the years in Newsweek, the New York Times, CBS News and other media confirm, that the 28 pages in fact clearly portray that the Saudi government had at the very least an indirect role in supporting the terrorists responsible for the 9/11 attack. In addition, these classified pages clarify somewhat the links between the hijackers and at least one Saudi government worker living in San Diego.
Yeah, I'm aware of those facts. You're right -- "train" is absolutely the wrong word, because it is an active involvement in a mission and indeed vital to its accomplishment.
That's a far cry from indirect support, which is why I levelled my point.
RE: Donald, like Hilary, has taken millsions from Saudi
September 10, 2016 at 1:49 pm
(September 6, 2016 at 10:11 am)Brian37 Wrote: Knock it off with Hillary.
I am so fucking sick of people thinking one politician constitutes an entire government. The planet is a globe and on this planet western leaders, have under both parties had to deal in global diplomacy. Now if people want to point out our dealings as America with Saudi Arabia, I can show you fucking pictures of every president back to and including Reagan dealing with the Arab world.
You cant be isolationists OR dominionists. China also isn't a bastion of western open speech and political pluralism either. I don't like that we have to deal with theocracies or closed societies either. But it still remains all 7 billion humans live on the same planet, so you deal with reality not fucking utopias.
Why should anyone knock it off with Hillary? As far as I'm concerned, they are cut from the same cloth, two peas in a pod etc. It is only fair that she gets a certain amount of criticism for the way she has acted, just as Donald Trump does. We don't have that right of critisicing one and not the other, because that would mean bias. If anything, the American public find themselves in between "a rock and a hard place", or a choice between "the plague and the Cholera", or a "choix Cornélian."
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