(September 15, 2016 at 2:15 am)Losty Wrote:

(September 15, 2016 at 2:06 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: No, we shouldn't treat them differently based on their clothing. Context and mannerisms have nothing to do with clothing.

People who will be attracted to said woman when she's naked might get horny and such, but they shouldn't treat her differently. They might act differently around her, but they shouldn't make a point of treating her differently.

Nor should they if they see her in a burka, clearly. They might think she's a Muslim, though, and indulge in a couple of preconceptions about her. They shouldn't strive to let her know it, though. That's the whole point.

I don't agree that clothing doesn't matter. If I see a guy dressed as a proselytizing Mormon, I will not make any cringeworthy perv jokes to him. If I see a naked girl, I will not try to recruit her to my purity club, if I see a man in a business suit I will not offer him half of my sandwich unless he actually mentions being hungry, if I see a woman in a burqa I will not invite her to my skinny dipping party.

Clothes do not determine a person's value or worth. They are a factor in determining how I will treat a person though. People can deny it if they want to seem PC but everyone knows it's true.

I would agree with that except for the fact that you might draw the wrong conclusions and commit a faux pas.

(September 15, 2016 at 2:53 am)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(September 15, 2016 at 2:15 am)Losty Wrote: I don't agree that clothing doesn't matter. If I see a guy dressed as a proselytizing Mormon, I will not make any cringeworthy perv jokes to him. If I see a naked girl, I will not try to recruit her to my purity club, if I see a man in a business suit I will not offer him half of my sandwich unless he actually mentions being hungry, if I see a woman in a burqa I will not invite her to my skinny dipping party.

Clothes do not determine a person's value or worth. They are a factor in determining how I will treat a person though. People can deny it if they want to seem PC but everyone knows it's true.

I would agree with that except for the fact that you might draw the wrong conclusions and commit a faux pas.

That would be a risk whether it's based on clothing, age, gender, apparent personality, body language etc etc etc. People make inferences based on perceived data. There's always a risk of being wrong but it's impossible to function without doing it.

(September 15, 2016 at 2:56 am)Losty Wrote:

(September 15, 2016 at 2:53 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: I would agree with that except for the fact that you might draw the wrong conclusions and commit a faux pas.

That would be a risk whether it's based on clothing, age, gender, apparent personality, body language etc etc etc. People make inferences based on perceived data. There's always a risk of being wrong but it's impossible to function without doing it.

Ok, fair point. But still, it seemed to me like the OP was looking to generate a discussion about the more negative ways clothing can affect our judgement of a person's character. Worded badly, like you said, but still. We can infer the direction he was heading in, yes? I don't think that direction included pointing out obvious things, like you are.

(September 15, 2016 at 2:59 am)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(September 15, 2016 at 2:56 am)Losty Wrote: That would be a risk whether it's based on clothing, age, gender, apparent personality, body language etc etc etc. People make inferences based on perceived data. There's always a risk of being wrong but it's impossible to function without doing it.

Ok, fair point. But still, it seemed to me like the OP was looking to generate a discussion about the more negative ways clothing can affect our judgement of a person's character. Worded badly, like you said, but still. We can infer the direction he was heading in, yes? I don't think that direction included pointing out obvious things, like you are.

Where is the OP now? Meh maybe I make a terrible feminist. I read the OP and all I thought was "mer....serxism....blerg"

(September 15, 2016 at 2:49 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Women should not be treated differently than men.  Only religiously culturally suppressed societies view women as inferior, and fuck that way of thinking.

Different ≠ inferior. I treat women different than men every day, and usually nicer. They've earnt it.

(September 15, 2016 at 2:49 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Women should not be treated differently than men.  Only religiously culturally suppressed societies view women as inferior, and fuck that way of thinking.

Not inferior, complementary. The sex's are different and evolution as predisposed them for different tasks.

Evolution even accounts for the difference in IQ distribution as males generally tend towards the extremes of genius and idiocy, while women generally hold the mean.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...9608000962
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differ...te_note-16

How/Why? Because the female sex is the basis of all species, males are a later "aberration" of the genome to help increase it's own genetic diversity. Cloning only gets a species so far and in all female species like the whip-tailed lizard, they cannot compete with two sexed species and get pushed out of the area.


Like men are nature's randomizer; it might turn out really good or really bad...and if it turns out really bad, thank God for the females!

If we don't recognize and appreciate our differences, how are we going to learn from each other? If we are all the same, we might as well live on gray street......and it breaks my heart.

(September 15, 2016 at 3:58 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(September 15, 2016 at 2:49 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Women should not be treated differently than men.  Only religiously culturally suppressed societies view women as inferior, and fuck that way of thinking.

Different ≠ inferior. I treat women different than men every day, and usually nicer. They've earnt it.

How have women in general earned being treated different from men in your paradigm?

Catholic_Lady has it, the situation; on the street/ in the mall/ in the field/ in the woods/ on the beach/ by the lake, etc. I leave to your imagination, so long as it is consistent.
What I have noticed is that there seems to be a correlation between theistic views and whether it is acceptable to pass comment, harass, attack, rape, throw acid at, or even murder based on what that person considers "acceptable clothing".
All the way from "I wouldn't let my daughter go out like that" to 'honour killings'.

(September 14, 2016 at 8:42 am)Mr Greene Wrote: Should a woman be treated differently if she is wearing a burka or stark naked?

All I know is I'd be upset at their superficiality if the drapes didn't match the carpet...

(September 15, 2016 at 5:13 am)Mr Greene Wrote: Catholic_Lady has it, the situation; on the street/ in the mall/ in the field/ in the woods/ on the beach/ by the lake, etc. I leave to your imagination, so long as it is consistent.
What I have noticed is that there seems to be a correlation between theistic views and whether it is acceptable to pass comment, harass, attack, rape, throw acid at, or even murder based on what that person considers "acceptable clothing".
All the way from "I wouldn't let my daughter go out like that" to 'honour killings'.

This still leaves more questions.

How old are the women, what are they doing, what is the general body language and facial expression of the naked woman? What is the weather like? Who are the local population?

I already answered yes on the poll as an atheist because I'm not waiting another day for another response to these questions.

Basically if I saw a naked woman on the streets where I live in Britain id be likely to treat her with more caution because it's very unusual to be naked on the streets of England and she might be mentally unstable or she could have just been the victim of a sexual assault or something.

Even more so if it's winter and cold because she's likely to die and might need assistance.

A woman in a burka is common in England at least where I live so therefore doesn't require much attention. I wouldn't ask her if she wanted assistance or anything. The situation requires no attention.