(September 19, 2016 at 4:53 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(September 11, 2016 at 10:00 am)fdesilva Wrote: Consider sending out a beam of light. The light will never reach infinity as it would need infinite time. An infinite time can never pass as its time without end.

Gah! I hate it when people litter their posts with "[color=#000000][size=medium][font=Calibri]". it makes it really difficult to quote them.

I'm not a physicist but I did hear that the theory of general relativity, it's not just a matter of time dilation but also length contraction. So a beam of light travelling at the speed of light reaches its destination instantaneously.

(September 11, 2016 at 10:00 am)fdesilva Wrote: 7.       Thus the ultimate cause of everything that exist has an infinity that is different or nothing like the infinity of this universe.

Two points here. First you are equivocating with the word 'cause'. This always assumes that something acts upon something else, but what causes the weather for example? There is more explanatory power in understanding it as a self organising system in which matter rearranges itself due to the flow of energy.

Secondly, energy cannot be created nor destroyed, there is no need to invoke anything else. We can explain in more or less detail how energy led to matter and how complexity has grown since the Big Bang.

The law of conservation of energy, that is all laws of physics, all energy all space and all time came into existence at this event the big bang. So energy did get created at the big bang

(September 19, 2016 at 5:12 am)fdesilva Wrote:

(September 19, 2016 at 4:53 am)Mathilda Wrote: Two points here. First you are equivocating with the word 'cause'. This always assumes that something acts upon something else, but what causes the weather for example? There is more explanatory power in understanding it as a self organising system in which matter rearranges itself due to the flow of energy.

Secondly, energy cannot be created nor destroyed, there is no need to invoke anything else. We can explain in more or less detail how energy led to matter and how complexity has grown since the Big Bang.

The law of conservation of energy, that is all laws of physics, all energy all space and all time came into existence at this event the big bang. So energy did get created at the big bang

We don't know that. All we know is that all the energy in the universe was in a particular state at the Big Bang. The universe may have been in a completely different state beforehand. The universe may be cyclical, contracting and expanding. It may be that this universe was created when a star went supernovae, created a black hole all it's energy got sucked into a really small point and created a new bubble. Fact is, no one knows.

(September 19, 2016 at 12:17 am)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 18, 2016 at 11:39 pm)Aractus Wrote: Infinity is a just an idea, a concept, it's not real. There is no such thing as infinity, it's simply used to describe things that are difficult to describe in tangible ways.

Which infinity?

An infinite empty space?
An infinite space permeated by a field?
An infinite space permeated by matter?
An infinite line?
An infinite plane?
The infinite travel of a line around in a circle?
The infinite rotation of the surface of a sphere?
The infinite rotational travel of the space within a torus like a wheel of time?

Well if you can draw me an infinite line I'll take back what I said. You might well have the concept of one, but you can't produce one.

(September 19, 2016 at 4:10 am)fdesilva Wrote:

(September 18, 2016 at 10:55 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: Yes, a hypothesis/theory that yields a 3d holographic model which geometrically predicts universal order, structure, and behavior/anatomy of it's inner parts like atoms, DNA, and self aware consciousnesses. Also predicts the modern refined measure of the "dark energy" expansive constant to within .5%

Would you have a link to your paper?

Not yet, still hashing out the details and I doubt I'll ever have the time or money for the required education to present a comprehensive scientific paper. But I can publish a books of ideas and let the expects recognize what they are able to and take it from there.

Even if I could write it all out for you in a neat little mathematical sentence...I wouldn't.

I am sceptical of any theory that tries to explain DNA, self aware consciousness and the physical universe to enough degree beyond a cursory understanding. I do not see how it can be useful because it is trying to encompass too much. This is because the underlying mechanisms are so different and we need to know the specifics of each. With DNA you are talking about molecules. With self aware consciousness, you have to explain the ordering of extremely complex neurons being useful in a particular environment. With dark energy you are talking about the physical constants of the universe.

It's like coming up with a theory that explains the Big Bang, poetry and the weather.

(September 19, 2016 at 5:17 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(September 19, 2016 at 5:12 am)fdesilva Wrote: The law of conservation of energy, that is all laws of physics, all energy all space and all time came into existence at this event the big bang. So energy did get created at the big bang

We don't know that. All we know is that all the energy in the universe was in a particular state at the Big Bang The universe may have been in a completely different state beforehand. The universe may be cyclical, contracting and expanding. It may be that this universe was created when a star went supernovae, created a black hole all it's energy got sucked into a really small point and created a new bubble. Fact is, no one knows.

At the big bang the laws of physics do not exist. That is why its called a singularity. You do not have a before hand as time itself was created at this event. These are the accepted facts, not something I am making up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Quote:Extrapolation of the expansion of the universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past.[13] This singularity signals the breakdown of general relativity and thus, all the laws of physics.

(September 19, 2016 at 5:27 am)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 19, 2016 at 4:10 am)fdesilva Wrote: Would you have a link to your paper?

Not yet, still hashing out the details and I doubt I'll ever have the time or money for the required education to present a comprehensive scientific paper. But I can publish a books of ideas and let the expects recognize what they are able to and take it from there.

Even if I could write it all out for you in a neat little mathematical sentence...I wouldn't.

The "experts" are trembling with impatience awaiting your not quite doctoral opus!

(September 19, 2016 at 5:27 am)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 19, 2016 at 4:10 am)fdesilva Wrote: Would you have a link to your paper?

Not yet, still hashing out the details and I doubt I'll ever have the time or money for the required education to present a comprehensive scientific paper. But I can publish a books of ideas and let the expects recognize what they are able to and take it from there.

Even if I could write it all out for you in a neat little mathematical sentence...I wouldn't.

Well if you tell me the ideas you have for the origin of the big bang in a logical sequence, I'll be happy to give you my primitive opinion.

(September 19, 2016 at 7:15 am)fdesilva Wrote:

(September 19, 2016 at 5:27 am)Arkilogue Wrote: Not yet, still hashing out the details and I doubt I'll ever have the time or money for the required education to present a comprehensive scientific paper. But I can publish a books of ideas and let the expects recognize what they are able to and take it from there.

Even if I could write it all out for you in a neat little mathematical sentence...I wouldn't.

Well if you tell me the ideas you have for the origin of the big bang in a logical sequence, I'll be happy to give you my primitive opinion.

Primitive peer review taking shape right in front of our eyes! Lawrence Krauss! Are you paying attention!

(September 19, 2016 at 7:05 am)fdesilva Wrote: At the big bang the laws of physics do not exist. That is why its called a singularity. You do not have a before hand as time itself was created at this event. These are the accepted facts, not something I am making up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Quote:Extrapolation of the expansion of the universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past.[13] This singularity signals the breakdown of general relativity and thus, all the laws of physics.

No, these are not accepted facts. This is just the extent of our understanding.


From New Scientist

What came before the big bang?

Quote:The trouble is, our understanding of space-time, and gravity in particular, is built from Einstein’s equations of general relativity, whereas the extreme conditions of the very early universe can only be described by quantum mechanics. No one knows how to reconcile the two to take us further back. “The rules we have simply don’t work in that regime,” says Carlo Contaldi at Imperial College London. “Nothing makes sense any more.”

That’s a problem for our origin story. Did time begin with the big bang? Or was there an epoch before it?

Some insist that if we rewind the universe far enough, time just stops.But Lee Smolin of the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Canada, is having none of it.

“It’s a cute idea but there’s not much evidence for it,” he says. In fact, Smolin wants to see the idea that the universe has a starting point dropped entirely. We can only hope to explain why our universe is the way it is, he says, if there was something before the big bang. It’s about cause and effect; to arrive at satisfying explanations for why things are as they are, we draw on previous events that led to the conditions we see.