(September 21, 2016 at 12:11 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 21, 2016 at 12:05 pm)RobertE Wrote: I prayed that my epilepsy would go away, and God didn't answer. I prayed for the cluster headaches to go away, guess what, God didn't answer. So, for me, there is NO higher power, whatever people might think. Churches, especially Catholic churches found a way of teaching bollocks to lemmings and fleece them out of their money. So, if an con man goes to your door, would you want to see his credentials or not to see if he is real? I would certainly hope so, and so should you when you go to see a priest who tries to con little old ladies out of their last pound note, keeping their believers poor and making the pope rich in the process.

Actually:
You petitioned that my epilepsy would go away, and God answered.

You petitioned for the cluster headaches to go away, guess what, God did answer.

So, for you, Because you did not like the answer God gave, there is NO higher power, whatever people might think.


There fixed it so it read factually correct. to be unfalsifiable -- just as we believers like it.

There, fixed that for you, Drich.

(September 21, 2016 at 10:26 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm willing to answer any genuine question anyone has, in the best way I can. It's just that a lot of the questions seem to be laced with sarcasm and hostility, to the point where I wonder if the person's motivation is to actually want to learn anything. Sometimes I see a thread on here asking a question, and when I take time to answer it the best way I can I just get a sarcastic, non serious reply back. So then I think, ok, if this person isn't actually interested in knowing more about my views, then why do they bother so much with what they are? Such as this thread for example. And MH, no offense to you, you know I love ya. But it just seems like this is one of those threads where the only purpose is to throw shade rather than to actually look for answers out of genuine interest or curiosity. So of course, I'm going to wonder why ya'll care so much. That's why I made the comment I did.

No worries.

(September 21, 2016 at 12:11 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 21, 2016 at 12:05 pm)RobertE Wrote: I prayed that my epilepsy would go away, and God didn't answer. I prayed for the cluster headaches to go away, guess what, God didn't answer. So, for me, there is NO higher power, whatever people might think. Churches, especially Catholic churches found a way of teaching bollocks to lemmings and fleece them out of their money. So, if an con man goes to your door, would you want to see his credentials or not to see if he is real? I would certainly hope so, and so should you when you go to see a priest who tries to con little old ladies out of their last pound note, keeping their believers poor and making the pope rich in the process.

Actually:
You petitioned that my epilepsy would go away, and God answered.

You petitioned for the cluster headaches to go away, guess what, God did answer.

So, for you, Because you did not like the answer God gave, there is NO higher power, whatever people might think.


There fixed it so it read factually correct.

I sincerely hope you are on a wum.

(September 21, 2016 at 12:28 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(September 21, 2016 at 12:11 pm)Drich Wrote: Actually:
You petitioned that my epilepsy would go away, and God answered.

You petitioned for the cluster headaches to go away, guess what, God did answer.

So, for you, Because you did not like the answer God gave, there is NO higher power, whatever people might think.


There fixed it so it read factually correct. to be unfalsifiable -- just as we believers like it.

There, fixed that for you, Drich.

Your either confused as to the definition of unfalsfiable, or confused to the nature of the items being proven false in the statement.

The statement was proven to be 'false' we the subject said he prayed to God for a personal healing. Again the issue here is not God as the subject for falsifying, God (for the subject) was falsified in what he identified as the prayer. Therefore the subject matter, (what is being falsified) has turned to the method in which God was falsified. (The prayer.)

So first question, did the subject if fact make a prayer when asking for a healing? Answer? No. We have only one example of a Christian prayer and it does not include a provision or place to asked to be healed. therefore we can not identify what the subject did as a prayer, but a petition. The difference God has promised to always answer prayer in the affirmative, but has not promised to do anything with a petition.

We have been given direction if we seek healing from an affliction, and the subject did not follow the command given by Christ. Rather he sought to skip what the bible says do, in favor of a direct petition as it seems that as a new 'believer' he thought himself in a position to demand such a thing/Offer a trade a miracle for allegiance. This indivisual mistook what God had promised us, doesn't know the difference between a petition and prayer, tried to leverage his faith with a favorable outcome from a petition, and gives up on God because he didn't get his wishes granted.

So just in case your intelligence is getting in the way again..

God was falsified to this person in unanswered prayer.

I proved his statement to be false because his falsification process was mislabeled. He said he prayed when he did not. (even if he thought it was prayer it was only a petition which receive a negitive response almost without fail when one does not approach God on a subject that clear instructions have been given.)

(September 21, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 21, 2016 at 12:28 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: There, fixed that for you, Drich.

Your either confused as to the definition of unfalsfiable, or confused to the nature of the items being proven false in the statement.

The statement was proven to be 'false' we the subject said he prayed to God for a personal healing. Again the issue here is not God as the subject for falsifying, God (for the subject) was falsified in what he identified as the prayer. Therefore the subject matter, (what is being falsified) has turned to the method in which God was falsified. (The prayer.)

So first question, did the subject if fact make a prayer when asking for a healing? Answer? No. We have only one example of a Christian prayer and it does not include a provision or place to asked to be healed. therefore we can not identify what the subject did as a prayer, but a petition. The difference God has promised to always answer prayer in the affirmative, but has not promised to do anything with a petition.

We have been given direction if we seek healing from an affliction, and the subject did not follow the command given by Christ. Rather he sought to skip what the bible says do, in favor of a direct petition as it seems that as a new 'believer' he thought himself in a position to demand such a thing/Offer a trade a miracle for allegiance. This indivisual mistook what God had promised us, doesn't know the difference between a petition and prayer, tried to leverage his faith with a favorable outcome from a petition, and gives up on God because he didn't get his wishes granted.

So just in case your intelligence is getting in the way again..

God was falsified to this person in unanswered prayer.

I proved his statement to be false because his falsification process was mislabeled. He said he prayed when he did not. (even if he thought it was prayer it was only a petition which receive a negitive response almost without fail when one does not approach God on a subject that clear instructions have been given.)

  Way to completely miss the point! Do you really think I give two shiny shits about your distinctions between prayer and petition?

Just for you Drich and why I could never believe in a God, no matter how much I prayed at the time. This happens once every 3-4 years, then when it happens, it wakes me up automatically around 2:00am every morning for 3 months because it is linked with the circadian rythym. There is medication for it which are Triptans (injectable) or if you wish, oxygen from a tank. Either way, it has never stopped me going to work, it has never stopped me leaving work early (yes, it happens at least 2-3 times per day.) And you think I don't like the answer that your God gave me? As people, we were led to believe in praying for miracles. I tried that and it doesn't work, I still suffer so, what is the point? I am, just like many millions are living proof that praying for miracles just doesn't happen. It is about time that the religious took off their blinkers and looked at the real world, to see the suffering. Not just those who are terminally ill or suffer from serious illnesses, but those who live in poverty, who don't even have proper hygiene facilities, yet they look up to people like you who do NOT give a damn about those people as long as you are alright and taken care of. The church/synagogue/mosque or temple is simply a place for people who have the attitude of "sod you Jack, I'm alright."

(September 21, 2016 at 12:41 pm)RobertE Wrote:

(September 21, 2016 at 12:11 pm)Drich Wrote: Actually:
You petitioned that my epilepsy would go away, and God answered.

You petitioned for the cluster headaches to go away, guess what, God did answer.

So, for you, Because you did not like the answer God gave, there is NO higher power, whatever people might think.


There fixed it so it read factually correct.

I sincerely hope you are on a wum.

why? Do you fear the idea that I might be right?

(September 21, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(September 21, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Drich Wrote: Your either confused as to the definition of unfalsfiable, or confused to the nature of the items being proven false in the statement.

The statement was proven to be 'false' we the subject said he prayed to God for a personal healing. Again the issue here is not God as the subject for falsifying, God (for the subject) was falsified in what he identified as the prayer. Therefore the subject matter, (what is being falsified) has turned to the method in which God was falsified. (The prayer.)

So first question, did the subject if fact make a prayer when asking for a healing? Answer? No. We have only one example of a Christian prayer and it does not include a provision or place to asked to be healed. therefore we can not identify what the subject did as a prayer, but a petition. The difference God has promised to always answer prayer in the affirmative, but has not promised to do anything with a petition.

We have been given direction if we seek healing from an affliction, and the subject did not follow the command given by Christ. Rather he sought to skip what the bible says do, in favor of a direct petition as it seems that as a new 'believer' he thought himself in a position to demand such a thing/Offer a trade a miracle for allegiance. This indivisual mistook what God had promised us, doesn't know the difference between a petition and prayer, tried to leverage his faith with a favorable outcome from a petition, and gives up on God because he didn't get his wishes granted.

So just in case your intelligence is getting in the way again..

God was falsified to this person in unanswered prayer.

I proved his statement to be false because his falsification process was mislabeled. He said he prayed when he did not. (even if he thought it was prayer it was only a petition which receive a negitive response almost without fail when one does not approach God on a subject that clear instructions have been given.)

  Way to completely miss the point! Do you really think I give two shiny shits about your distinctions between prayer and petition?

Completely missed the point. He thinks I am a "new believer." And I am now thinking "why on earth was I praying for in the first place?" Sorry, but I am beginning to think that schizophrenia is in fact another name for religion (I present my excuses to those who suffer from this terrible disease.) The way I read it is this, "you should pray to god, but in reality god is not going to fucking help you", since it is false.

(September 21, 2016 at 12:58 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 21, 2016 at 12:41 pm)RobertE Wrote: I sincerely hope you are on a wum.

why? Do you fear the idea that I might be right?

You are so far wrong, it is unreal. I was a believer, but just as Christians do, so do atheists. It is called "seeing the light." All I had to do was believe in myself, not in some mystical power that is not even there. If I am in pain, I know I can overcome it, just as alcoholics overcome their addiction or drug addicts do. If religion has taught me anything, is beware of the false prophets i.e. those who make up bullshit stories to fleece the millions out of their hard-earned money.

(September 21, 2016 at 1:01 pm)RobertE Wrote:

(September 21, 2016 at 12:57 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:   Way to completely miss the point! Do you really think I give two shiny shits about your distinctions between prayer and petition?

Completely missed the point. He thinks I am a "new believer." And I am now thinking "why on earth was I praying for in the first place?" Sorry, but I am beginning to think that schizophrenia is in fact another name for religion (I present my excuses to those who suffer from this terrible disease.) The way I read it is this, "you should pray to god, but in reality god is not going to fucking help you", since it is false.

Damn it, Robert, you're just asking for Drich to repeat his distinction between prayer and petition. The point he misses is that he, and all believers, have it set up in their minds that anything -- including no answer at all -- is "really" an answer to a petition or prayer. Hence, it's unfalsifiable.