(September 30, 2016 at 3:51 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: "I am the Eternal...I am that which created the Word...I am the Word."   From the bible? No. From the Egyptian book "of the dead" (going forth by day.)

Which only shows that the bible is less than original.

(September 30, 2016 at 3:54 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(September 30, 2016 at 3:51 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: "I am the Eternal...I am that which created the Word...I am the Word."   From the bible? No. From the Egyptian book "of the dead" (going forth by day.)

Which only shows that the bible is less than original.

Never claimed it was. I've maintained it's a cultural rehash of a very old story.

(September 30, 2016 at 3:50 pm)Lek Wrote:

(September 30, 2016 at 3:31 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: Some would rather worship an obscure, unknown God whom they live in fear of.

I don't and won't.

I asked you a couple times and I believe I received no answer.  Is there any benefit to knowing your complicated vision of God?  According to your concept, are they any rewards received by a person who accepts your idea of God?  Do we owe God love, worship or anything at all?

Sorry, I hadn't seen it before and will answer you when I get back from work in a few hours.

(September 30, 2016 at 4:01 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 30, 2016 at 3:50 pm)Lek Wrote: I asked you a couple times and I believe I received no answer.  Is there any benefit to knowing your complicated vision of God?  According to your concept, are they any rewards received by a person who accepts your idea of God?  Do we owe God love, worship or anything at all?

Sorry, I hadn't seen it before and will answer you when I get back from work in a few hours.

OK. Thanks.

(September 30, 2016 at 8:20 am)robvalue Wrote:

(September 30, 2016 at 2:17 am)ED scissor hands Wrote: a loving God, I believed the Christian bible and the words to be true and placed them into my life style, , for over thirty years ,but then I do think if God loves us, why would he use a punishment so awful that it be torment and hell for ever,
like say for I,E,
if I believed in God and my mother did not, she would go to hell, and god would love me over her, ? is this justified or morally correct,
I love my mother, and I think God should also ,she is not a bad person, and she has sacrificed all to raise me, ...huh.....?

By the way, welcome to the forum!

thank you glad to have arrived....

(September 30, 2016 at 4:00 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 30, 2016 at 3:54 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Which only shows that the bible is less than original.

Never claimed it was. I've maintained it's a cultural rehash of a very old story.

You've maintained wrong.

(September 30, 2016 at 3:47 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 30, 2016 at 3:41 pm)Primordial Bisque Wrote: Ok, so I read your link and did some other searches, eventually reading about it's uses in Kabbalah and Ojibwa. While an interesting concept philosophically, it requires a hefty belief in magic to approach with any sincerity.

Even older as the symbol for Ra/Re in Egypt. The self created, creator God who rose upon the primordial mound from the infinite chaos of the watery Nu, the father of Re/Ra.

It's as magical as the atom with a nucleus and a spherical, shell like border condition

The claim is that God is an eternal, all-consuming field of energy (fire) which exists outside of the observable universe, responsible for all of creation, and connected in some fashion to our lives. Ancient mysticism laced with scientific jargon aside; it's a lot of woo to take in without ample suspension of disbelief.

I do share your stance on the holy texts of the area, during that era, being different versions of the same mythology. The Epic of Gilgamesh comes to mind. Shamhat was also much better looking that old Evie, so I may be biased.

(September 29, 2016 at 2:08 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 28, 2016 at 5:24 am)chimp3 Wrote: OK. So may be an ocean is a bad analogy since an ocean is not infinite and solid. OK. So, now we are comparing a loving god to either magma or limitless light? I do not see the similarity? If homogeneous what do the 10 veils consist of ?

To primitive man, the ocean appears infinite.
Have you ever been head over heels in young love?  Did you feel like there was anything in the world that could stop you?

The 10 veils are different: 2 are solid objects, 1 is a field, 1 is a massless 2 spin membrane, another is a vertical electromagnetic field and 4 are horizontal toroidal EM fields like tokamaks

Careful your ass doesn't slam closed because you were pulling shit out of it too fast. I've heard that can be quite painful.

(September 29, 2016 at 3:14 pm)Lek Wrote:

(September 29, 2016 at 1:51 pm)robvalue Wrote: There's so many problems with "religious morality" it's hard to know where to start.

What it really comes down to, in reality, is "I'll do what god says as long as I was going to do it anyway". Or more precisely, you'll do what god says because it's you, talking to yourself. God always agrees with you. Funny that, isn't it?

The other problem is that atheists seem to figure out morality just fine without needing any access to god. So what use is he?

Where are all the atheists that figured out morality just fine?  How do they know if their morality is correct or not?  You don't know if your morality is superior to anyone else's or not.  You've looked at life situations and decided what you think is right and wrong based on specific criteria.  You really don't know if you've figured out morality right or not.

Nor have you. All you've got is a dusty old book that puts your gawd's jealousy above murder and never even mentions "hey, don't go raping." The morality defined in that book is questionable, at best.

(September 30, 2016 at 1:54 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 30, 2016 at 1:21 pm)Primordial Bisque Wrote: It's the definition of a classic jailor, or someone who's sole purpose is domination. Shackles are shackles, whether you're being whipped and burned or fed ice cream cake.

And if outside equals dissolution?

I can see it's time for this again.